observer Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Seems Warrington is among the blackspots for NEETs; with 25% od 18-24yr olds - Not in Employment Education or Training; presumably trying to survive on the pitance of the dole and/or the bank of Mom and Dad. Assuming these kids are willing to get out of bed in the morning and put a days work in; maybe places could be found at places like Woolston Grange, by turfing all the Poles out?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wireboy Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 You make a good point. But as long as we are in the EU under the current regulations the Poles and other EU nations will continue to pore over into the UK. Turkey has been trying to get in the EU for a few years now. Imagine the influx of Turks to the UK should that happen. I do feel sorry for the young folk. Not all of them are mindless yobs. Maybe a new kind of national service could be implemented. It would teach the young valuable skills that they could contribute to society when they reach there 20's. I do realise however, that will not be a very popular option to some but what else can the young do? Unless there is a huge increase in industry and apprentices, it will only get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 The Turks are already over here - try the hairdressers or a takeaway! Correct - the only way to shift the Poles et al, is to leave the EU asap. Meanwhile OUR young folk are left to fester, which won't bode well for future social cohesion. Yes, any wise Gov would embark on a massive skills program, to produce the tradesmen and other specialist. for when and if the economic situation improves - rather than importing them from abroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wireboy Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Correct. There already a large number of Turks already here. Legally and probably illegally. But imagine if it was an open door policy like the rest of the EU. I bet you will see a lot more. One industry this country could invest in is a re-armament programme. That would provide a broad range of skills for the young and old and we could be a World exporter in aircraft, ships tanks and weapons. Like we used to be. Re-open the ship yards and take orders for ship building from around the world. Again something else we were good at. Reverse Dr Beeching’s axe of the 1960's and re-open rail lines and build new lines. The government past and present harp on about public transport. The country can re-ignite its industrial past if it wanted to but I think the majority do not. There are several options to get the country going again but who knows? Maybe my options are step backwards that people do not want to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Do we have ANY politicians in the cabinet who know what it is like to roll up their sleeves, get their hands dirty and even break sweat? or are they just ex-graduates who found an easy way to make money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Did any of them apply for the jobs that the Poles got, and if so why did the Poles get the jobs, I think these need to be answered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 and if so why did the Poles get the jobs? Because they will work for less and have less overheads because they live 10 to a house..... next question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Seems they arrive from Poland and attend for interview at a certain firm on Woolston Grange on a Sunday morning. They can hardly speak English, and show the taxi driver a hand written note with the address of a certain firm on it. Presumably all or any vacancies should be advertised in the job centre first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 We ate talking young people here Baz, I think you will find most neets live at home, Obs, where you getting your info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 From the taxi drivers! You really need to get out more Kije! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Ahhh so you made it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Errm, nope; I got it from a taxi driver who's actually taken Poles for interview on a Sunday morning - you can disbelieve him if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I know that I'm going to get jumped on from a great height, but someone has to mention the "elephant in the room" - the minimum wage. Surely this single measure is detering prospective employers from taking on raw, inexperienced young people who could otherwise get on that important first step of the employment ladder? Right, start kicking off - I know you want to :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 We ate talking young people here Baz, I think you will find most neets live at home, Obs, where you getting your info when you have 10 people sharing the rent, rates, food bills, gas electric etc. they don't need the same money as someone living on their own or with parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I know that I'm going to get jumped on from a great height, but someone has to mention the "elephant in the room" - the minimum wage. Surely this single measure is detering prospective employers from taking on raw, inexperienced young people who could otherwise get on that important first step of the employment ladder? Right, start kicking off - I know you want to :grin: I agree with you asp..... We are going to be looking for a young chap soon and you can bet your life, the ones that turn up will be wanting £10 an hour and are full of themselves.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 You're a bit out of touch, asp. The National Apprenticeship rate is £2.50 an hour. If you or anyone else thinks that this should be lower, then, to be frank, there's only one word for you. Call a job an apprenticeship and you can pay well below minimum wage, and someone else pays for the training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 when you have 10 people sharing the rent, rates, food bills, gas electric etc. they don't need the same money as someone living on their own or with parents That's why they can afford to send their money back to Poland along with their Child Benefit money etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Most Poles do not live 10 to a house Baz Nothing wrong with the minimum wage, what should happen is if people refuse to take a job on the minimum wage, which is happening now, they should have their benefit stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Most Poles do not live 10 to a house Baz Nothing wrong with the minimum wage, what should happen is if people refuse to take a job on the minimum wage, which is happening now, they should have their benefit stopped. Kije, the only Poles I know live quite a few to a house....Callands; I know of a house that housed at least 10..... a friend of mine owns a house on Bewsey Road which he lets out to some Eastern Europeans and there are 7 living there..... As for the second statement, should say a qualified Electrician be able to come over from Estonia and work on sites over here as an electrician for less than the agreed national rate for the job? I agree with your statement that any British person who refuses a job for minimum wage should lose benefits, but I also think that any employer that hires skilled tradesmen from abroad which will enevitably put British tradesmen either out of work or at a financial disadvantage; should be either fined or closed down. If there are no tradesmen here, then fine, but we all know that this is not the case (Just look at the Olympics sites for example.....there are tens of thousands of foreign trades on there while we are paying for British tradesmen to stay on the dole because there is no work for them This isn't a level playing field anymore; especially if it means that we have to foot the bill in unemployment benefits to pay for the workers affected by the cheap labour imports.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 In some parts of the Country, not only are the houses in illegal multiple occupation, but they've got them living in the garages and garden sheds too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Not to mention greenhouses and tree houses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 So that's most of the Poles in the country living 10 to a house then is it, or just your limited observation Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I know of a house, 2 up and 2 down terrace were there were 8 plus a couple of kids. Nick Kije, do you have proof to demolish obs' theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 You're a bit out of touch, asp. The National Apprenticeship rate is £2.50 an hour. If you or anyone else thinks that this should be lower, then, to be frank, there's only one word for you. Call a job an apprenticeship and you can pay well below minimum wage, and someone else pays for the training. I'm sure you can't just describe any old job as an Apprenticeship Fugs, otherwise everybody would be walking through that particular barn door sized loophole :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I sometimes go to a Polish shop in Manchester, the owner lives with his wife above it, I also work with a polish engineer at Hinkley point, he lives in Bridgewater with his wife in a terraced house, just the two of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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