algy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 In my opinion the death of the Libyan dictator is only the beginning of the troubles in Libya, over the last four decades this despot has managed to keep a lid on the cauldron of simmering hatred between a tribal system that has a deep and underlying hatred for each other, I really hope that I am mistaken, however I think the problems here are far more contentious than those of the likes of Iraq, let's see if the US can manage this one (albeit from a distance) without getting her fingers burned. No doubt we shall become involved costing us lives and financial responsibility that we can least afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I'm afraid you're probably right :neutral: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I sincerely hope you are both wrong. Up till now the new government has appeared to be sensible in its approach. I really hope that this overthrow of Gaddaffi means that Libya will become a country where all prosper and not just the few. Good wishes to them.one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wireboy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 If the MOB was anything to go by yesterday then I fear there maybe a lot more trouble to come out of Libya. I know Gaddaffi had done wrong and had been a menace for the world over the last 42 years but I found the images yesterday very disturbing. Watching him get torn apart by a bunch of animals is not going to the new government any favours. I had no sympathy for Gaddaffi with the Libya uprising because of his past, however, he should have been taken into custody, tried and hung from the gallows. Not torn apart by a bunch of animals. I know passions were high and if I had lived under Gaddaffi's regime I may have been part of the mob. But I think Gaddaffi facing the humilation of a trial and ultimately the death penalty would have better served justice. It would also have been advantageous to question him on IRA funding, the WPC shooting and the Lockerbie bomb. Mob justice should not apply to any sides no matter what the justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I agree that the shooting was not the "proper" way forward, but these things happen in civil wars especially one so bitter as this one. Gadaffi could and should have got out long ago and saved all the bloodshed and destruction if he really was a patriot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 I hear what you say Wireboy and it shouldn’t have happened but imagine what he would have been like in a court. The longer any kind of dictator remains in power, the more detached and God like they get. I doubt he’d have coughed up anything about the acts carried out in his name anyway so in a way, I think they’ve probably done us all a big favour. As for the people being able to govern themselves after forty years of dictatorship, yep that’s going to be incredibly difficult but there is hope and a genuine will for change. Most importantly, the people seem to accept their dilemma and the fact that they may need foreign help to get them through the coming years. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 On a positive note, it must have saved us £ions in court costs and lawyers fees ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Had Qaddafi surrendered Libya to the NTC after the taking of Tripoli and even upto the storming of Sirte, he would still be alive now to stand trial for his crimes. But he vowed never to surrender and to fight even unto death and that is exactly what happened. Maybe the rebels should not have dragged his body through the streets but, intoxicated by their triumph at liberating Libya from the tyrant (and don't forget he was a tyrant) drag him through the streets they did. I have not seen any video of that act and I don't think I would like to see any but I will not condemn the rebels for having done so. What relief they must surely have felt to know that at last they were freed from the clutches of this murderous tyranical despot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Wonder who the next "despot" will be?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 btw, when are your democratic elections due?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 As soon as all the people's demands are met and they are satisfied to let our democratic elections go ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 could be a while then Cleo...... As for Gaddafi, he got what he deserved. He certainly did not deserve the dignity of a trial nor the chance to try and defend what he had done for the past 40 years. As for the future; no doubt we will be funding another £10billion round of airstrikes when the next Libyan leader gets out of hand..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Their will be alot of countries in the world pleased tonight, that he has died and not gone to court, I think he might have had alot to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Zanga! Zanga!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Now they're (the media) wringing their hands over what's going to happen to his body - the new Gov in Libya won't want a shrine - so perhaps cremation and scatter the ashes in the desert? :unsure: One bonus in all this, the 2,000 Libyan community in Manchester may now go home! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 But don't allow British contactors and skilled workers in to rebuild Libya, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Well said Cleo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 That's up to the Libyans, personally, I couldn't give a damm! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Yes,let them stay at home in the UK, possibly living on benefits (scrounging as some people would call it) because there is not enough work for them here. Added benefit, would give you something to whinge about on the forum, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 How on earth do you deduce that "the unskilled scroungers" would be contracted for highly skilled work in Libya, the Libyans would provide the labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I didn't say unskilled did I? Builders, electicians, plumbers - all skilled work. And it's not only unskilled workers unemployed in the UK and you know damn well it isn't. And I do know for a fact that many foreign workers with those skills were employed in Libya prior to the onset of the revolution, my own grandson being one of them as an electrician but there were many different nationalities working in Libya. They will be needed even more now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 I doubt many people would want to go and work in Libya for a long time regardless of whether it used to be their home land or not. Still just as risky IMO even though Gadaffi is apparently dead. Still a lot of others who were on his side alive and kicking and who will want revenge and just as many on the other side too who will oppose them and who seem like an equally brutal force if you get in their way. Different world and rules all together and not one that I'd like any of my family to be part of. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 even though Gadaffi is apparently dead. Dizzy.... watch them videos again..... there aint no "apparently" about him being dead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 So Cleo; your saying that foreign workers will be needed in Libya, so presumably the Libyans want them there; so how does that mean that we should want any Libyans over here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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