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Geoffrey Settle
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Just wondering what posters feel about climate change and how it is imapcting Warrington?

 

After talking to the Envirnmental Agency about the proposed flood defenses in Victoria Park (where I used to train twice week) I realise that the sea level is rising and one of the reasons why the park and knutsford road are at risk.

 

Do you know of any ways in Warrington where we are trying to mitigate climate change apart from the new flood defenses?

 

What steps are you taking and if practised by others may help or are we all doomed or is it all a myth? :roll:

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Well, climate change or not, there was a lot of weather during the night! Wheelie bin blown half way down the garden. Heavy pot plant blown over. Flooding due to grid becoming blocked with leaves.

 

What am I doing about it? Well, I put the wheelie bin back in its place, righted the overturned pot plant and unblocked the grid to disperse the floodwater. Then I went to work.

 

What else can I, as an individual, do? I already recycle everything possible, fill my green and blue bins every two weeks, walk instead of drive whenever possible, use diesel instead of petrol, refrain from holidaying abroad, walk round in the darkness to avoid putting the light on, don't use a dishwasher, etc., etc.

But still my pot plant is blown over, while my neighbour who does none of these things and regularly goes on long haul flights to Australia, suffers no damage to his garden at all. There is no justice in the world.

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Well, climate change or not, there was a lot of weather during the night! Wheelie bin blown half way down the garden. Heavy pot plant blown over. Flooding due to grid becoming blocked with leaves.

 

What am I doing about it? Well, I put the wheelie bin back in its place, righted the overturned pot plant and unblocked the grid to disperse the floodwater. Then I went to work.

 

What else can I, as an individual, do? I already recycle everything possible, fill my green and blue bins every two weeks, walk instead of drive whenever possible, use diesel instead of petrol, refrain from holidaying abroad, walk round in the darkness to avoid putting the light on, don't use a dishwasher, etc., etc.

But still my pot plant is blown over, while my neighbour who does none of these things and regularly goes on long haul flights to Australia, suffers no damage to his garden at all. There is no justice in the world.

 

Nice one Egbert keep it up - there will be if another volcanoe goes up in smoke - but then again it might actually be a positive it you don't like your neighbour very much :rolleyes:

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I didn't say I don't like my neighbour. He's a fine fellow. It's just that he damages the environment with almost every activity he indulges in without any apparent feelings of guilt. He is, I suppose, a Flat Earther. But he's a good neighbour - and he would be even better if HIS wheelie bin got blown down the garden, HIS pot plant was blown over and HIS grid was block with leaves. Particularly as the leaves concerned are from HIS trees!

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Oh dear, oh dear, Geoff! Climate changing is what climate does and has done for millions of years. As for sea level rise, well the seas have been rising at a fairly steady rate since the end of the last ice age, on average about 3mm per year, although recently that rate has actually declined slightly. Also, as the Mersey isn't tidal as far as Victoria Park, sea levels would have to rise by a considerable amount to cause flooding. In fact there is a weir at Victoria Park to maintain water levels in the river higher up. Don't let the alarmists with their failed computer models blind you to what is actually happening in the realworld.

:wink: :wink: :wink::D :grin: :D

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Asp,the River Mersey is tidal for it's 20 miles (estimated) up to and sometimes over Howley weir and as a Latchford lad I have as a youngster observed it flooding Victoria Park! and as we have had dolphins and seals up to the weir ( seals over the weir recently) they would have a job reaching so far upstream without it being tidal. :shock:

Did you know that the Mersey has the 4th highest tidal rise in the world.

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Asp,the River Mersey is tidal for it's 20 miles (estimated) up to and sometimes over Howley weir and as a Latchford lad I have as a youngster observed it flooding Victoria Park! and as we have had dolphins and seals up to the weir ( seals over the weir recently) they would have a job reaching so far upstream without it being tidal. :shock:

Did you know that the Mersey has the 4th highest tidal rise in the world.

 

 

Algy, they frequently raise the level below the weir these days to shift any fallen trees and debris. That is maybe how these creatures got topside.

 

The ONLY time that the park floods (once in the last 20+ years) is at exceptional High Tides and gale force winds.

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Tell you what though Eagle, it wasn’t that long ago that the council wouldn’t have set up a climate change department with people and desks and instead they’d have brought in a team of specialist consultants at huge costs.

 

At least this way we’ve got some “real” people to poke fun at. (That’s if people involved in climate change are real.) :D

 

Oh and btw Asp, Spittle Brook here in Woolston Park is tidal about half of the time and a spring tide will normally give us at least three to four feet. Perhaps you can fathom that one out. :wink:

 

Bill :)

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Algy, they frequently raise the level below the weir these days to shift any fallen trees and debris. That is maybe how these creatures got topside.

 

The ONLY time that the park floods (once in the last 20+ years) is at exceptional High Tides and gale force winds.

Peter the level below the weir is dictated by the the level of the tide. the level of the water *above the weir* is dictated by the ship canal. 60 years ago you very often got flooding in Latchford with the bowling greens on Victoria Park being submerged, I have a book with photos of women brushing flood water from the backs of their houses in York street and Kent street due to an exceptionally high tide.

 

* Sorry, I have edited here as I neglected to type 'above the weir' after 'the level of the water'

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I stand corrected. Having looked into facts a bit further I've found that Howley weir is the limit of the tidal river, although exceptional spring tides occasionally take the level higher than the weir. I will now go away and give myself a sound thrashing :oops: :oops: :oops:

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I stand corrected. Having looked into facts a bit further I've found that Howley weir is the limit of the tidal river, although exceptional spring tides occasionally take the level higher than the weir. I will now go away and give myself a sound thrashing :oops: :oops: :oops:

Albert Einstein got it wrong many times before he became lucky and got it correct :wink:

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Councillor Settle, could you advise how much would be saved if the Climate Change department of the council was scrapped due to it being an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Council Tax surely should not be wasted so that people can chase a myth.

 

I've taken the liberty of posting below a comment by the Tax Payers Alliance. They regulary feature "non-job of the week" and this particular time last year it was Warringtons turn to be featured.

 

Warrington Borough Council are looking to recruit a Climate Change Manager: Salary band £40,740 to 43,500

This is a hefty salary for an officer in Warrington (and indeed, most other parts of the country!) and with local authorities feeling the pinch, it seems astonishing that Warrington are creating new services and installing new managers, particularly ones who – let’s face it – are unlikely to make any real headway in reversing international climate change.

This looks like it’s just a concession, a tokenistic gesture and an attempt to jump on the environmental band-wagon. Unfortunately for the residents of Warrington, it’s making a dent in public finances whilst the one man (or woman!) green crusader in question is likely to invent numerous different schemes and initiatives (cue the ‘switch the lights off’, ‘don’t drive too much’, ‘plant trees’ burble that we’ve become used/impervious to) to justify their place in the council and – of course – their salary, none of which could reasonably be expected to make any real difference to the health of the planet.

Of course, when China builds a new coal power station every ten days, there’s something futile about Warrington Borough Council mounting a counter-attack with their one green man, but on this salary and with a supporting department, the costs will mount and the reality is no joke. The true nature of the task is betrayed in the detail though, and when they state that they would welcome applications from those with a ‘communications background’ they’re telling us that this is about PR, spin and polishing the image of the council. Something that should undoubtedly take a back seat whilst redundancies are being made and frontline services are being cut.

 

 

I dare say that the Climate Change Manager has been in place now for some time and has a Dept to run. Perhaps Councilor Dirir can acquaint us with the size and cost of this futile cost to the Council Tax Payer ?

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...and of course he won't and can't.... climate change is just another tax grabbing money making bag of nonsense....

 

First it was "Global Warming" and when the "experts" couldn't explain why we were getting the harshest winters for decades; despite the "warming" bit of "Global Warming".... they all had a quick meeting in toga-land and decided a new approach was needed..... thus the phrase "Climate Change" was created.

 

Now, sporting the new phrase meant they could blame any kind of weather phenomenon on "climate Change" because it could encompass all temperature ranges from hot to cold....... and come up with some of the most bizzare tax grabbing ideas since the window tax! :D

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