Bazj Posted October 7, 2011 Report Share Posted October 7, 2011 Have to agree with you too Cleo...... Kije will be rolling on the floor about now; aghast that people could possibly want to deport some poor mudering asylum seeker when they have children and cats over here to look after.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Nothing wrong with him going to jail over here, his child that he had over here has the right to a family. Murders go to jail over here Baz, it was also a fact that it was not a casual relationship, they were married over 2 years. I am not against deportation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Nothing wrong with him going to jail over here Agreed.... then when he finishes his sentence, he gets kicked out. his child that he had over here has the right to a family Maybe so.... but what about the father of the child he murdered with his car? Or the child itself? where are their rights to a family life? Where is the fathers right to justice?.... but of course; you are a toga wearing liberal where the rights are all meant for the criminals and murderers.... Murders go to jail over here Baz As if you need to tell me that!!.... unfortunately they don't go long enough Kije, because over the years, justice has been eroded by people with attitudes like yours it was also a fact that it was not a casual relationship, they were married over 2 years So? My aunty emigrated with my Uncle.... she didn't want to go, but things dictated otherwise and she went with her husband..... she can go to I am not against deportation. When WOULD you deport someone Kije? If you wont deport an asylum seeker who has murdered a young child with a car he shouldn't be driving (so not even a legal resident of this country) because they have some convenient marriage and fatherhood that he shouldn't even be here to create...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Can't fault your logic there Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 8, 2011 Report Share Posted October 8, 2011 Can't fault your logic there Baz. I doubt many right thinking person would....however I know of someone who will be along shortly to spout his pro-mudering-illegal immigrant scum propoganda!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 How do you know the marriage was convient Baz, or are you making it up. Show me your proof, or are as I expect just making it up to suit your blinkered vision. He went to jail served his time, You could argue it was not long enough, but the sentence had nothing to do with him being an immigrant and all to do with dangerous driving offences not having along enough sentences. Would it have been OK if a British Citizen had run the child over would you have been making as much fuss, or is it as I suspect you have a big problem with skin colour and with people who are muslim :!: :!: :!: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 How do you know the marriage was convient Baz, or are you making it up. Show me your proof, or are as I expect just making it up to suit your blinkered vision. He went to jail served his time, You could argue it was not long enough, but the sentence had nothing to do with him being an immigrant and all to do with dangerous driving offences not having along enough sentences. Would it have been OK if a British Citizen had run the child over would you have been making as much fuss, or is it as I suspect you have a big problem with skin colour and with people who are muslim :!: :!: :!: First off.... I never said it was a marriage of convenience anywhere in anything I have written..... maybe you get that impression from the events of the story and to be honest; now that you mention it.... As for serving his time???? Don't make me bloody laugh Kije. The man was an illegal immigrant driving a car which he shouldn't have been driving and killed a young girl..........I don't know how you have the gaul to say he served his time.... And arre you saying that we can't have British citizens who are Muslims? Because that is what you have written as I think you are now so desperate to win the argument that he should stay and that he isn't a vile child-murdering scumbag; that you have resorted to calling me a racist now.... You see Obs was right....whenever you and your types are threatened by facts and logic; you throw in the race card! And for the record, I have no issues with Muslims....except the ones who don't want to live by the rules of whichever country they live in....just as I have no sympathy with white British people who go to the likes of Dubai and get caught boozing or stupid white Americans who think it would be a good idea to go hiking in Iran.... and finally... You could argue it was not long enough I would, you probably wouldn't as it would probably infringe his Huuman rites to be locked up away from his family at a time when he is illegally trying to make a new life for himself....awww diddums!...... One solution, be he an immigrant or a white English person for a crime of such proportions: a short rope and a trapdoor..... simples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 He did serve time Baz, as I said you could have an issue with how long he got, and I think the government are looking to extend the maximum sentence for dangerous driving offences, and about time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 From 2 yrs to a whopping 5 yrs - wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 At last we are getting to the crooks of the matter, what is the longest sentence you can get for dangerous driving Obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Not long enough when there is a death involved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I agree Cleo, and the government are looking at it, I might be wrong but at the moment I think it is 5 years, And that has nothing to do with the human rights act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 what is the longest sentence you can get for dangerous driving? "In the crown court, the maximum penalty for dangerous driving is 2 years imprisonment, an unlimited fine and a minimum obligatory driving ban of 1 year. Before a full driving licence can be re-instated, the defendant will have to take an extended driving test. If the case is heard in the Magistrates Court, the maximum penalty for dangerous driving is 6 months imprisonment, a maximum fine of £5000 and a driving disqualification" "The maximum sentence for this offence was increased in 2003 from 10 to 14 years. A driving ban of two years is also mandatory, with a mandatory retake of the driving test to regain the licence. Momentary very bad driving resulting in death usually results in a shorter prison sentence, of less than 2 years. Longer sentences, of between 2 and 5 years, are given where the driving was considerably worse. Sentences of over 5 years are only usually handed out for driving which is extremely or blatantly dangerous." There is also now an offence "death by careless driving" which doesn't usually warrant a prison sentence....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 I found this link, I am out of date with 5 years, I will try to find out when the law was changed http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingoffencespenalties.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 What Baz said.... ie 2 years in prison for dangerous driving although that is the max not standard. There are however different catgeories of 'dangerous' driving which can a higher or lesser max term. See here DIRECTGOV Website http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069870 Hasn't Baz already answered the question about when the law was changed in his last post What is this topic about as they all seem to be about driving at the moment so I'm getting lost and no longer know which direction I have come from or are am going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Found this from the Bolton Evening news, might be of intrest http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9293550.Victory__Government_announces_tougher_sentences_for_dangerous_drivers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 9, 2011 Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 That is fine, but if I was in an accident and left paralysed by the dangerous driving of some chav in a saxo, I would want him in jail for 20 years not a MAXIMUM of five (which means a sentence of three, out after 18 months less time off spent on remand..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2011 Strange - the Bill is currently being prepared for Parliament, in which they wish to up the sentence from 2yrs to a whopping 5yrs! :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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