Cat flap -

[observer]

Teresa May want's to scrap the HR Act, along with most of the Country - but will Nick Clegg and his toga wearers let her? :unsure:

[Cleopatra]

Well seems like Kenny Clarke wont.

[Cleopatra]

Maybe a compromise could be reached - end all human rights for anyone convicted of a crime! And deport foreign immigrants who have been convicted, straight from the court to the airport, - family or no family, cat or no cat!

[asperity]

We can't scrap it without leaving the EU as it comes with the package. Ms May, being a politician and government minister, is just as thick as the rest of them. She also wants us to have a Bill of Rights she says, again showing her ignorance of the fact that we have had one for over 3 centuries. Sack the lot and start again, it's the only way! :angry: :angry:

[observer]

Agree with the sentiment Asp, if not the accuracy of your statement. The Treaty on HR was a seperate Treaty to the EU debacle; still, I agree we need to get out of both ASaP. Our constitution is unwritten - time we had a written one, based on common interest and common sense.

[Lt Kije]

Teresa May, like you lot was taken in by a Daily Mail story about an immigrant who was aloud to stay because he had bought a cat, maybe a bit of truth is needed.

[asperity]

I don't know about anyone else but I haven't seen any article about an immigrant's cat. Unlike LtKije I don't read the Mail :wink: :wink:

[Lt Kije]

Well you cannot by Viz anymore

[asperity]

Is that true? :neutral:

[observer]

The tale of "the cat" is irrelevent; enough to know that an ILLEGAL immigrant, who ran down a 12 yo girl (no tax or insurance), was saved from deportation due to having some sprogs with a Brit - hence his claim under Article 8 of the HR Act, to a "right to a family life" - something he'd denied to the 12yo girl.

[Lt Kije]

The sprog as you put it has a right to a family Obs

[observer]

On that basis, there would be no single mothers - but there loads nowadays.

[Dizzy]

Here we go again. Sooner or later everything comes back to the 'same' in the 'Obs World'

[observer]

So your point is? :roll:

[Dizzy]

Stop following me around Obs

 

My point is that sooner or later all your finger pointing does seem to be directed back to point the blame at single mothers, unmarried 'parents', divorced, the less fortunate or those who maybe cannot find jobs etc. Not saying you are always wrong or right but you do always seem to come back to the same

 

'Night' for he second time my dear Obs. No malice or hard feelings intended as I think you are pretty cool really

[Bazj]

The sprog as you put it has a right to a family Obs

 

 

but will daddy tell him/her the bedtime story of how he ran over and killed a little girl I wonder?

 

and yes, a right to a family.....but if there was justice it wouldn't be in this country

[Evil Sid]

if there was justice he would not have been here to do it in the first place.

[observer]

Right on Sid! :grin:

[Lt Kije]

So are you advocating there should be more single mothers Obs?

[observer]

Nope, perhaps more abortions though, for those who can't/won't take precautions in casual relationships. :roll:

[Lt Kije]

I to agree with Sid, but it did happen he had children over here and the judge quite rightly had to take them into account when making his decision.

[observer]

So - on that basis Kije: if someone is convicted of murder, they can't be sent to prison, on the grounds that their kids have a right to a family life? Typical liberal tie youself in knots nonesense.

[Peter T]

WHY can't the whole family be shifted?

[Cleopatra]

I must say that I am in agreement with Peter.

When I am in Egypt I am required to obey the laws of Egypt and do so (when in Rome do as the Romans do).

So why should immigrants in the UK not be expected to obey british laws?

Many of the immigrants were law breakers in their own country, that is obvious, and why they come to the UK pleading asylum on the grounds of persecution in their own country.

If they want to live the comparatively easier lifestyle in the UK then they should be expect to obey the laws. Break them then they should be deported back to where they came from, family or no family, and if they want to keep the family together then the family should go with them, or stay as they wish, but certainly the family should not be used as a means of avoiding deportation.

[observer]

Sounds about right Cleo.