Bazj Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 awww Obs.... you are still a real lefty at heart!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Baz - I think we'd agree that sentencing guidelines in the UK aren't sensible, though we may disagree on the whys and wherefores around that. Yesterday this lad was an internet pillock, now he's an internet hero, despite nobody (including himself) turning up to his, er, "riot". Now he's got a sentence that'll never be spent, all for messing about on Facebook.  He's a pillock, not a malicious criminal.  I liked this:  http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/matthew-norman/matthew-norman-even-a-benign-dictator-would-struggle-to-tackle-this-sickness-2338608.html  How do we get these kids to aspire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 When, from an early age, a person's worth is based on the type of trainers s/he wears to school and the image of "success" is based on the lifestyles of pop-singers and footballers - little wonder that the extent of aspiration is limited to an X-factor opportunity to hit the big time, and the more mundane, though essential, trades/professions that make society and the economy tick, offer little attraction. Even those who do attain usefull qualifications, such as a Degree in Physics, can be lured away by the financial incentives of Canary Wharf. Perhaps we're not taxing some folk enough and paying others too little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 The four year sentence is a nonsensical vindictive sentence. Â The judge should have used some sense and made the culprit spend the next six months helping the victims clear up the mess left by the rioters. he should then be brought back to present his findings about the reasons for and consequences of the rioting. Not stuck in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I agree wahl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I agree wahl  You would because you are a toga wearing liberal forgiving type..... maybe if you had been on the end of a riot or had your home burned down by the mindless thugs, you would think differently.....  Mind you, them Ivory Towers take some burning eh Kije!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 That makes you, To the right of Atilla the Hun Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well at least there were no HUNg parliaments under Attilla, perhaps just hanging ones?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 That makes you, To the right of Atilla the Hun Baz   and even that isn't far enough to sort out the mess you liberal types have inflicted on the country Kije! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 With you on that one Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yea, but the question is, WHY can't they see it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 19, 2011 Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Yea, but the question is, WHY can't they see it? Â They don't see it Peter because they are all trapped in their little rose tinted bubbles where the likes of Al Magrahi are victims and people like him are to be pitied..... Â they will trawl out the nonsense about him being innocent (because they want to believe he is because it then fits their ideals)....unfortunately he was convicted in a Scottish court and has never been exonerated and so he IS a mass murderer..... in spite of what the toga wearers would have you believe.... Â He is a definate one that should have dangled from the end of a rope..... no question.... or better still he should have been extradited to the USA; they would have dealt with him properly.... and put it this way, he certainly wouldn't be swanning around in a fancy villa in Tripoli! Â Mind you, if the rebels have got any thanks to give to Britain for our help in getting rid of Gadaffi; they will slit Magrahis throat and throw him in the garbage where he belongs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2011 Wasn't all this part of the deal, struck between Bliar and Gadaffi, when they were swapping spit in the tent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Can't see what Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Can't remember. :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm saying nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 :lol: A fellow sufferer :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Think Tory Bliar has a nerve commenting on the riots - isn't he the bloke who presided over the decade where the wealth gap increased to it's greatest extent since the 19th C; when Gov were sucking up to the City, while industrial decline continued; when kids were given more rights and problems were always someone else's responsibility; where benefit dependency was bolstered by open door immigration to produce a client state of electors for "new" Labour - etc etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 I've no idea if I'm in the right topic as things tend to spead across a few at the moment... Â But regarding the now 'tougher approach' how come the facebook lad got charged and sentenced with 4 years straight away, but in the same week a Warrington man who battered his mate to death only got 7 years and now I read that the three who were arrested regarding the death of a Warrinton man in Orford on Saturday have already been bailed and will appear before police again in December ? Â Doesn't seem right somehow and seems there are still different rules and a need to show 'tougher approaches' in some respects (where it suits) but not necessarily where it should be. Â Af for Blair... well he turned out to be just another self centered idiot with his own agenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 When the Courts start playing to the crowd (as with the riot cases), it represents the political corruption of the law and thus the demise of real justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 So when are we going to start to see real justice then oh mighty Obs. Â The courts are clearly capable of it so is it the politicians who are stopping them being tougher in their sentencing or what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 As I understand it, the legislature (politicians) set minimum tariffs (which are arguably too lenient in most cases); the Courts then sentence based on the circumstances of each case. However, there does appear to be a wide disparity between some murders and others, from 6 to 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 Obs I never realised you were a legal expert, Oh sorry your not are you, you just think you have all the answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 So, on that basis, one has to be an "expert" in order to have an opinion?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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