Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 The Sun has that already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 So did anyone actually buy the NoTW today then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Didn't BUY it either! Anyone feel sorry for the staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Thanks Obs.. I have corrected my typo Yes I feel do sorry for some of the staff in a way but that is massively outweighed by the hacking scandal. Celebs I couldn't give two hoots about but the other cases that have now come to light make me sick. 'Some' people clearly knew it was going on and they weren't botherd in the slightest So all in all... the NoTW bods are 'all' tarnished with pretty much the same dirty brush in my opinion by way of association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Seems the plot thickens by the day. Alledgedly; E-mails suggest that the hacking was known about from 2007, the question is, how high did that knowledge go? Who "knew" and who should have known, and where does the buck stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 10, 2011 Report Share Posted July 10, 2011 Celebs are still people, albeit that they have lost their way, quite often through bad advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 Problem is, that some celebs and politicians court the press, and arguably, those who live by the pen die by the pen. However, increased competition in the media (and perhaps in politics), might produce a healthier balance of views in the public domain, that may stimulate and better inform public debate and a renewed interest in politics generally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 As a journalist, I have been very interested in this saga but I wonder if the media have got it wrong about the public interest in it. I note no-one has contributed to this thread for several days and this strengthens my view that the reason it is dominating the news at the moment is that the news is provided by journalists who, like me, are very interested in it themselves and don't realise that the rest of the population has lost interest. I have never bought a copy of the News of the World in my life but I am aware that it was, in the distant past, an honourable newspaper. In fact, my first editor told me that the two best newspapers of the day were The Guardian (then the Manchester Guardian) and the News of the World. When I asked him why, he said because they were the most accurate. The Guardian because it wanted to be and the News of the World because it had to be! I tend to agree with Matthew Paris, the Times columnist, who on Question Time last week said it was a tragedy the News of the World was closing down because it was the biggest selling paper in the country and was read almost 100 per cent by working class people who, presumably, like what it provides. By all means change its ownership, change its content - but close it? I don't think this Aussie with American citizenship should be allowed to! As to phone hacking, it is obviously deplorable if the phones of the families of murder victims and soldiers killed in action have been hacked. I can't see the purpose of it, quite frankly, because I can't see it adding anything significant to a news story. As to hacking the phones of politicians, corporate organisations, the criminal fraternity, I am not sure. There is an argument for saying that the press (and I include the other media in this as well) would be failing in its public duty if it did not use the latest technology to expose wrong-doing. The press is, traditionally the adversary of authority. Although you wouldn't think so from the antics of the News of the World and other red tops, that is one of their main functions. The very fact that more people bought the News of the World and still buy The Sun than any other paper suggests that most people want that type of paper. In other words we get the press we deserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 .... arguably, we also get the politics and politicians "we deserve", but should we strive to appease the lowest common denominators? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted July 14, 2011 Report Share Posted July 14, 2011 It seems to me, from reading this topic, that the press are not doing a very good job on reporting this issue. Either that, or it is over the heads of a good number of the people on this forum. Some people clearly don't know what they are talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Brooks resigns: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166162 Hope she's got some juicy beans to spill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 What's nauseating about all this, is the sanctamonious reaction of politicians (like Millipede), as if they are any further out of the gutter than tabloid journalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 15, 2011 Report Share Posted July 15, 2011 Are there any working class people left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Are there any working class people left? Of course there are. Trouble is, half of them arn't working and the other half now think they are middle class! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 Spot on Egbert. But is anything over £25,000 a year middle class? Most people in Industry are on a lot more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 but Peter.... that is where the migrants come in.... they take the jobs for less than the UK workers and thus drive down average wages....it's all part of the masterplan started by Nu Liebour!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I bet there are more than a few senior politicians shaking in their boots now that the Murdocks have agreed to be questioned in the HoC. The Brown Gorgon has already been caught lying through his teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Spot on Egbert. But is anything over £25' date='000 a year middle class? Most people in Industry are on a lot more than that. [/quote'] Are you sure about that Peter :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 Don't think it's anything to do with how much you earn. Your attitude of mind decides what class you belong to. Alan Sugar will never be anything but working class - and probably wouldn't want to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 What's the going rate a spark gets paid then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I thought the average UK wage was £25.000 per year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 What's the going rate a spark gets paid then? JIB rates for an approved electrician is about £14.50 an hour plus £32.00 a night lodging allownce for working away. That's why so many contracting electricians own camper vans!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 I thought the average UK wage was £25.000 per year For a spark????? I don't believe you Kije. I bet you are on ten grand more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2011 Report Share Posted July 17, 2011 So Peter I misunderstood you, The average UK wage is £25,000, That is an average for the whole UK working population. Or if you go here it is slightly higher http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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