inky pete Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13329634 So the myth of low pay in the public sector can now be laid well and truely to rest. Salaried staff earn an average of 16% more than their equivalent private sector counterparts, while hourly paid workers get 30% more. And that's without taking into account the value of the public sector pensions which the private sector taxpayer is forced to fund! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevofaz25 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 No Comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 The amount of tax forcibly removed from my salary every month already told me that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Most people have always known that the Public Sector was the place to work if you wanted good pay and pension, it was just the Public Sector workers themselves who didn't want us to believe it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 As the private sector employs more unskilled workers on the minimum wage than the public sector, and the public sector has a high proportion of professional workers (such as teachers and doctors) it is not surprising that average pay is higher in the public sector. However, what has not been mentioned here is that, the group where private sector pay was higher was for the top 10% of earners. Also If the public sector transfers lots of low paid jobs to the private sector through contracting out, average pay in the public sector will increase even if no-one gets a pay rise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 This study compared public sector workers salaries at all levels directly with those of private sector employees doing the same jobs - so you're argument about the difference being due the relative numbers of low to high paid workers in the two sectors holds no water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 This came from a right wing think tank - so no surprise in it's attempt to divide and conquer. And while the peons argue the toss over this one, we've got more ?billionaires than ever paying less tax - what did the man say "we're all in it together"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Considering that more Public sector workers are Unionised, one could say what a fantastic job the Union are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Right wing, Left wing. Maths is maths, and numerical facts are no respecters of political colouration. The most telling aspect of the story is that the TUC didn't even try to argue that the study was factually or scientifically flawed. They just contented themselves with describing as "divisive" a report which lets private sector taxpayers and people who are solely responsible for contributing to their own (lower grade, defined contributions) pensions know just how much better paid those who get their (high grade, final salary) public sector pensions for free really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Right wing, Left wing. Maths is maths, and numerical facts are no respecters of political colouration. The most telling aspect of the story is that the TUC didn't even try to argue that the study was factually or scientifically flawed. They just contented themselves with describing as "divisive" a report which lets private sector taxpayers and people who are solely responsible for contributing to their own (lower grade, defined contributions) pensions know just how much better paid those who get their (high grade, final salary) public sector pensions for free really are. Instead of whinging about it why don't you apply as a street sweeper,bin man or hospital porter or whatever your equivalent public servant post may be? You just sound jealous tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 This study compared public sector workers salaries at all levels directly with those of private sector employees doing the same jobs Not sure that there are many sales and retail assistants, hairdressers, hotel staff etc in the Public sector to compare with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Maybe we could nationalise them, to improve their pay?! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 This study compared public sector workers salaries at all levels directly with those of private sector employees doing the same jobs Not sure that there are many sales and retail assistants, hairdressers, hotel staff etc in the Public sector to compare with. There are some, but not many. As you point out, not every private sector job has a public sector analogue. Mine, being an engineering role within the manufacturing industry, is always going to be one of them. But virtually EVERY public sector job has a private sector equivalent so valid comparisons can be made. There are care assistants in both public and private sectors. There are nurses in both public and private sectors. There are bin men in both public and private sectors. There are prison officers in both public and private sectors. There are catering staff in both public and private sectors. There are highways engineers, construction workers, bus drivers, train drivers, support workers, parks and gardens workers, cleaners, teachers, IT staff, secretarial staff, administrators, and just about every grade and flavour of manager under the sun in both public and private sectors. And this study found that in all but the very highest paid roles, public sector workers are paid substantially more than workers doing the same job in the private sector. Victory for the unions??? The same unions who represent those members doing the same jobs in the private sector - but can't get them the same deal??? Or possibly a reflection of the fact that most, if not all, public services operate within artificial monopolies untroubled by the need to be efficient or offer value for money to customers. Customers who generally have no re-course to an alternative provider, no real mechanism to hold the service provider to accout for sub-standard service, and no opportunity to decline to pay whatever money the monopoly supplier decides to charge - even if the customer NEVER uses the service at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 So, in a nutshell, you are jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 Seems to me, to be all about the big Osborne plan to reduce the pensions of public employees in order to make it easier to transfer services to private firms and charities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 So, in a nutshell, you are jealous. I object to being forced into paying over the odds for poorly delivered services which I don't even use. And then having to listen to those who are better paid and far better pensioned than their counterparts elsewhere whining about how poorly they are treated. If that's jealousy, then I'm jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 9, 2011 Report Share Posted May 9, 2011 So who empties your bins, puts out your fires, chases your burglars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted May 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 I'm lumbered with the same useless bunch of overpaid numpties as the rest of you, of course. Like I said, public services are generally artificial and protected monopolies. Protected monopolies ALWAYS result in poor value for money for the paying customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Never used to be like that. Seems that the private sector have fallen behind if the facts are right. The bottom line is, change jobs. Difficult I know, but sometimes one has to leave the comfort zone to gain, or realise that at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Become a Medical Consultant and you can work for both at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 So who empties your bins? No one if it is too icy or the wrong kind of snow So who puts out your fires? If the risk is deemed too great; no one does, they just let it burn down So who chases your burglars? No one..... you get a crime number now if you are lucky...... And so it goes on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 "The Policy Exchange report compounds years of myth-making by the rightwing press and thinktanks, blaming public sector "greed" for a crisis created by the banks. There is little evidence of a substantial pay premium for public sector workers, and no reason at all why it should be considered a social ill." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/09/public-sector-pay-workers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Problem is, create a useless bunch of underpaid numpties and sales go down, borrowing goes down, house building goes down and the economy crashes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 "The Policy Exchange report compounds years of myth-making by the rightwing press and thinktanks, blaming public sector "greed" for a crisis created by the banks. There is little evidence of a substantial pay premium for public sector workers, and no reason at all why it should be considered a social ill." http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/09/public-sector-pay-workers The Grauniad would say that wouldn't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 Wherhas the The centre-right Policy Exchange wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 10, 2011 Report Share Posted May 10, 2011 So your house is fire and burglar proof Baz, and you fly tip all your waste?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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