observer Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 If the criteria for UN intervention is the killing of unarmed civilians by a brutal dictator - then I assume we can look forward to no fly zones over - Syria, Bahrain and Yemen - or am I being naive?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Obs the question, do they have oil If they do watch this space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 .. or are they compliant (with us) puppets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 Nato have taken over from the United States in Libya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 NATO is a cypher for the US, so they'll still be pulling the strings. While Dave and Sarky delight in playing wargames and supporting "the rebels" for regime change in Libya, some unintended consequences are already appearing. Seems the authoritarian dictatorships in N/Africa have been usefull gate keepers in preventing a tsunami of immigration into Europe from southern Africa. Well, not anymore, the current anarchy has resulted in thousands of Tunisians (the one's that are now "free") and Libyans (soon to be "free") making their way into Italy, via the Sicilian Island of Lampedusa, where they are being held in detention camps. Such are the numbers, that sanitation is at risk and epidemics are now feared. Overwhelmed, the Italians are asking other EU Countries to take "their share" of the burden. So perhaps our warships would be better employed taking these "searchers for a better life" straight back to Africa, and start preventing anymore coming across - or would that contravene their human rights?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 What are you suggesting Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Why would they come here? There are no benefits any more, the country is paved in Tarmac, not gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Yer forgot the pot holes! Kije, what do you think I'm suggesting? The boat is full, take in anymore waifs and strays and it'll capsize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Sounds to me Obs, your suggesting that we should support these tyrants Just to stop people moving, what would you do if you were in one of these countries, you would move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Nope, I would hope I would have sufficient patriotism to fight to change my country from within - not go cap in hand on a global scrounge. As for these "tyrants" - the traditional view has always been, that they are tolerated, as long as they are OUR puppets and act in OUR National interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I would hope I would have sufficient patriotism to fight to change my country from within And be arrested and tortured and then leave if you lived though it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 The rebels in N/Africa appear to be doing OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 What happened to the people who rebelled 10 years ago, exiled or dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 as long as they don't get "exiled" to here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 So you would have died, rather than left. Nope, I would hope I would have sufficient patriotism to fight to change my country from within - not go cap in hand on a global scrounge Somehow I don't beleive your quote Obs, Its easy to say that with NATO planes flying above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 No NATO planes involved in Egypt, Tunisia, Syria etc - one can live as a rat or a sheep, or die like a lion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Egypt and Syria have had very represive regimes over the last 30 years I don't think you would have lasted long in one of their prisons, and if they had let you out you would have left the Country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Your meandering around assumptions to try and justify migration - and on such a basis, there'd be no one living in Gaza, S/Lebonon or Sri Lanka for example - some folk actually believe in their own Countries of origin (for good or bad) - otherwise, most Brits would have left for Oz by now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Meandering I don't think so, I to believe Obs, but I also think people have a right to freedom and not be oppressed, Its a shame you do not feel the same way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Meandering I don't think so, I to believe Obs, but I also think people have a right to freedom and not be oppressed, Its a shame you do not feel the same way Kije.... can you define freedom? My idea of freedom is freedom from EU domination, yours may well differ? What is freedom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 How about having the right not to be arrested for not agreeing with the government, Syria for example has been a police state for the last 30 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Even parliamentary democracies represent the dictatorship of the majority, so limit the "freedom" of the minority - fraid nothings perfect in an inperfect world. Most folk settle for three meals a day and the right to breed. The problem with argueing for a moral and ethical future for this world, is that, such a policy would need to 1) have unanimous support within the UN - which will never happen. 2) Be consistently and fairly applied to all - can you imagine trying to dictate human rights to the Chinese, with a no fly zone - clearly a non starter. Which basically leaves us with the current self interest and hypocracy - and as long as OUR Government pursues OUR self interest - we can just be thankfull for our good fortune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I think having the right to state an opinion, without fear of arrest. If this site was in Syria we would have all been arrested and shot by now, Its ok for us we take it all for granted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Freedom of speech is only tolerated here, as it's generally ineffective and countered by the establishment through their monopoly of the press and political class. These "revolts" owe their origins more to economic discontent (rising food prices and reduced buying power) than to any notion of "freedom" - folk get desperate when they begin to starve. If someone is effective in the West - they'll close ranks to discredit them and even put them away - like Julian Assange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 I think having the right to state an opinion, without fear of arrest. If this site was in Syria we would have all been arrested and shot by now, Its ok for us we take it all for granted Not 'All' Lt. just the selected few! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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