harry hayes Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 An old time comedian used to start his act"once upon a time there were two Chinese". Then after a wicked pause would say "now look how many there are ". One of my boring sayings is that there are too many laws. We used to manage with ten - or 9 if your neighbour doesn't have an ox. When I joined the police the training officer acknowledged that you couldn't know all the law and said that if you acted in good faith, you would always be backed up. When we couldn't find a precise law we resorted to the catch all "conduct likely,which is similar to the army"conduct prejudicial to good order" Everone is presumed to know the law, which is nonsense. Not one person in the country knows a quarter of the law without retiring to a back room and reading up. No-one, policeman, judge, or mr Loophole knows the drink driving laws as there have been hundreds of stated cases which turned black and white into extremely shady grey. Nowadays if there is a fire in coal bucket somewhere, at the cost of many millions of pounds, hey presto, you have a Fire Bucket Act" I would guess tht the topical litter act came about at the whim of an MP in order to be specific and plug a gap which wasn't there in the first place. We have gone too far now to repeal what we have, but there are no new offences, merely variations on the old ones. Save umpteen millions of pounds in time and fees for lawyers (who perhaps are the prime movers), and have no more new laws unless they have been found absolutely necessary and have been given proper thinking time. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 As the judges have been told not to send anyone to prison you might as well scrap ALL the laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 They want to scrap the imprisonable ones but keep the ones that bring in revenue such as speeding, driving with an agressive passenger etc! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 And to make matters a lot worse, todays paper reports that half the changes ministers want to make can.t be done because of EU regulations. Suppose that includes generalities as well as law. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 All EU laws cannot be repealed unless we get persission from all the member states, thats about 75% of our laws then. Like killing the head vampire, parliament needs to repeal the European communites act 1972. There are that many laws that chances are we are breaking a dozen of them a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 75% of our law comes from the EU No it does not Some might find this interesting http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8160808.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Can member states simply ignore EU legislation? No, but they can certainly challenge it. Much of UK law derives from EU legislation, or is inspired by it what would qualify as "much"? maybe 75% or more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think you will find it was Ricky that said about 75% I just called his bluff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I think you will find it was Ricky that said about 75% I just called his bluff well I would say that "75%" is "much" wouldn't you? 10% would be less or little, 100% would be all and there fore 75% is much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 I really distrust the BBC, especially when an ex EU comissioner Chris pattern becomes chair of a comittee which looks after impartiality but thats for another day. The British Government estimates that around 50% of UK legislation with a significant economic impact originates from EU legislation. so thats the EU stifiling growth, and jobs. It is difficult to differentiate between EU-induced and nationally induced changes to the law. Governments might have intended to implement legislation in areas in which the EU decides to act, or have legislated in anticipation of the adoption of an EU law. These do not then show up as EU-based, even though they might have been EU-influenced. Estimates of the proportion of national laws based on EU laws vary widely in other EU Member States, ranging from 6.3% to 84%. However, there is no totally accurate, rational or useful way of calculating the percentage of national laws based on or influenced by the EU. Good god! nobody knows! http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpapers/commons/lib/research/rp2010/RP10-062.pdf Basically there has been that many laws steming from a foreign power, nobody really knows, UKIP says 75%, that paper from the HoC saus 15-50%, the BBC says "much", its one complete and utter f*** up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 So 75% was a guess then I'll take a punt at 6.4% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 indeed, anybodys figure is a guess, but from my own personal experiance, and what i know, its certainly more than 6%! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 Kije knows it is more than 6% and probably more than 60% but as Warringtons premier collaborator; he just bends over and accepts his Euro fate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Collaborator This coming from a man who's knowledge of history would fit on a pin head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Baz, write it in French - he might believe then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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