observer Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Not a laughing matter for the sons, husbands and fathers who have to shed their blood in these macho adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Its a shame Bahrain has no oil, because if they did we would be going in their aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Nah, don't think so - Saudi has oil, is currently repressing it's people, and not a squeak out of Cameron and Co - think it's called double standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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observer Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 So, IF the UN intention was to "protect civilians", perhaps boots on the ground in Libya would have been preferable, requiring only a corridor establishing between the two sides to physically keep them apart. However, as is becoming anundantly clear, the real objective is "regime change", with NATO now acting as the rebel airforce and talk of arming "the rebels" (civilians) thus encouraging them to intensify combat and thus "civilian" deaths. Truth is, they've been gagging to get rid of Gadafi for years and have now siezed on this opportunity - it would be more honest for Hague and Co to just admit it, and quit the hypocracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 The rebels say they will stop when they take Gaddafi's home town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 A rebel is always a rebel Peter.... and who's to say they wont rebel against the next person, or the next.  Do you really think they will stop when they take over his home town though and not forgetting that Gadaffi's supporters will probably never really 'stop' either  As hard as it is to believe he does actually have a lot of supporters.. and they are all willing to fight and die for him just as those against him will too.  I doubt either side will ever trully STOP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Most of Gadboys supporters are brainwashed or scared of repercussions. You only have to study the faces of the orchestrated demo's to see that. Read an article a couple of weeks ago, when one of his soldiers got captured due to injury and hadn't been aware of what was going on, because as soldiers they weren't allowed access to outside information. True or not, time will tell. But the soldiers seem to be deserting to the rebels rather than the other way round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Never though of it like that.. but must admit I thought I was in the other topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 No it looks like Gadaffi's troops have made a come back, rebels on the retreat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 The foreign minister appears to have defected to the UK...... obviously after a free council house and ?200.00 a week in benefits! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Where did you get that figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 No it looks like Gadaffi's troops have made a come back, rebels on the retreat  Really or are you just saying that to make me google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Nah, don't think so - Saudi has oil, is currently repressing it's people, and not a squeak out of Cameron and Co - think it's called double standards. Â Nah. Saudi like the West and spend a couple of quid buying arms which supports the economy. Digressions can be overlooked when brown envelopes abound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Somethings are patently clear: If left to themselves, Gadafi would have reasserted his power by now, rebel leaders would be executed or have fled to the EU (probably to their colony in Manchester!) and we would adapt to probably paying more for his oil and/or suffering more Lockabies. If we comply with the spirit of the UN resolution, we can probably even things up a little, make the whole thing last longer and possibly contribute to an increase in collateral damage; and hope Gadafi's followers are not family and tribal friends, but will turn on him. As I said - outcomes in war are less predictable than in any other enterprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Why has one of his closest allies been allowed to come here !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Maybe he just wants to sign on or needs a hip replacement?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Diz  He is now an ex-closest allie, Which makes it ok apparently. He is now a reformed mass murderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 So WHY here... why not somewhere else. Surely his being here is a bit of a security threat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 At the moment I think our government like having him here, as its says look our strategy is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Yer just can't trust your closest luitenants - can you?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 He flew here by private jet from Tunisia. A lot easier to question him if he is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Until he flys off again by private jet after he's done whatever he came here for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Don't think that will happen as the Scottish police want to question him about his involvement with the Lockerbie bomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 Clever tactics on the part of HMG - encourage Gadafi's luitenants over here to then be investigated and possibly charged with crimes - that should start a stampede - I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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