observer Posted February 16, 2011 Report Share Posted February 16, 2011 Well the ECHR has trumped our Government again, ruling that sex offenders cannot be kept on the register without an appeal - as it contravenes their Human Rights. Cameron is rightly getting p*sd off and is setting up a commission to look at a (more sensible) "Bill of Rights" - save time Dave, just withdraw from the ECHR, and while your at it, the EU too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 well said about time we had a British HR act and got rid of the eu one foisted on us by bliar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 If they keep on coming up with these wonderful ideas it will annoy the government enough to do something about removing us from the EU's clutches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 How is it that the victims don't have rights? And why isn't that taken into account when deciding these issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 All these ridiculous 'human rights' rules make me rather embarrased to be human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 All these ridiculous 'human rights' rules make me rather embarrased to be human You're not, you're a chick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted February 17, 2011 Report Share Posted February 17, 2011 At least I'm not a chicken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 It seems that other countries just ignore the bits of these laws they don't want. We don't see these countries being censured for it so why do we bother taking any notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 I believe it is because the mandarins in the civil service are of the old school where the rules are obeyed without any thought - IE thoughtless civil servants "doing their job" regardless of the consequences. They need to be put out to pasture and replaced with patriotic pragmatic people. Do as the Romans did and replace the top three tiers of the civil service with their underlings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 If you recall, the EU fined the UK for not returning the correct dues to Brussels - and this from an organisation that hasn't had it's books signed off by the auditors for the past 15 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Am i lone voice in thinking this is probably a correct decision. No punishment can be meeted out without the chanc eof consideration and/or parole. Even life sentences in jail these days have a tarriff. All this means is that the need to sign on will be reviewed. No guarantee that the person involved will be relased from the obligation. As long as the rules are tight enough then I see no risk by being forced to introduce this. Essential the govmt have agreed with this and are going to provide the bare minimum. As for pulling out of the ECHR, if you read closley the british bill of rights will be alongside the ECHR, so it wont disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 For what its worth you aren't alone Adrian, and it was the "British Supreme Court" who made this judgement not the evil and dark entity we know on here as "THE EU" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 .. based on their interpretation of law derived from the original convention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 .. based on their interpretation of law derived from the original convention. Which prececes the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Of course, I've never said it didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 18, 2011 Report Share Posted February 18, 2011 Of course, I've never said it didn't. and you never mentioned the EU or Europe in any of your previous posts in this thread either I suppose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 IF, you bother to read them, you'll discover that I mentioned hearing Michael Heseltine make the point that the ECHR preceded the EU. However, I think you'll find that it's incorporated into EU law; but there's a multitude of other reasons for throwing off the Brussels yolk - imo we need to exit both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 IF, you bother to read them, you'll discover that I mentioned hearing Michael Heseltine make the point that the ECHR preceded the EU. However, I think you'll find that it's incorporated into EU law; but there's a multitude of other reasons for throwing off the Brussels yolk - imo we need to exit both. I did bother and no I won't discover you mentioning anything whatsoever to do with Heseltine in this thread nor a mention of precedence re. EU,EHCR,EU LAW et al. as you didn't mention them at all in this thread. Even a revisionist like youself can't get away with just lying and expecting folk to be gullible enough to simply take the word of an eye rolling numpty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Obs has been trying too hard to think outside of the box for so long, he's forgotten what the inside looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 tut, tut, tut - toga slipped there PJ - yer can take yer bat and ball home now, plus fughtifenos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 tut, tut, tut - toga slipped there PJ - yer can take yer bat and ball home now, plus fughtifenos! didnt the throwing of toys and petty tantrums cost you your turn at the trough Observer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 no idea what your twittering on about, and evidently niether have you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 IF, you bother to read them, you'll discover that I mentioned hearing Michael Heseltine make the point that the ECHR preceded the EU. However, I think you'll find that it's incorporated into EU law; but there's a multitude of other reasons for throwing off the Brussels yolk - imo we need to exit both. So come on Observer, please be kind enough to point out where you mentioned this in the thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not in this thread, but another one - same subject matter though. 4th post "national sovereignty" - political pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 Not in this thread, but another one - same subject matter though. 4th post "national sovereignty" - political pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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