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Harry... sorry I missed your previous post where you repied to me :oops:

 

I like the "shape; shine and shadow" idea but isn't that the same tactic as criminals use - i.e lurk in the shadows.

 

I often wonder about all these high visibility vests etc as like you say as in one respect it shown the officer is out and about and patrolling but lets face it if I was a criminal and spotted a high vis one I'd just go somewhere else to commit my crime or wait until they had gone :?:roll:

 

Everytime I read any of your posts Harry, no matter what they are about, you have a fantastic way of making me smile and feel happy..... it's the way that you always say 'Happy Days' at the end. :D:wink:

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But they're not even pulling people over and speaking to them.

 

So if I had an unregistered car, false number plates, no MOT, no insurance etc - they'd never be able to trace me.

 

If I was drunk behind the wheel, they'd never know.

 

The particular road I'm thinking of was a 60mph limit before the school was there. The road is still a 60mph limit either side of the school. The only reason for the reduced limit is the presence of the school - which is hardly relevent at 10:30pm on a Sunday! And yet there they are, most Sunday nights

 

This isn't safety based speed enforcement, this is box ticking and quota filling, and is currently a complete waste of taxpayers money.

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I think just as I may take a strong stance on defending my generation, some members do make some comments where I don't think they realise how insulting they actually are.

 

I understand that you were all teenagers once, but times change and some of your views are quite outdated, with some of your comments quite concerning. To which I try not to sound aggressive, but I do believe in making a strong stance so you hopefully understand how wrong some of the things you say about my generation are.

 

And as one member of this forum said to me about not judging someone they've never met, I don't think any of you can comment on who I know, who I'm friends with, and who I'm representing.

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:shock::shock: Didnt realise we had that many police and PCSO's Inky but then again Cheshire is a very big area and goes all the way upto Cumbria... although if that equates to 1 officer for every 400 people and the majority of us thankfully never need them then like you say ....where are they all?

 

I suppose they are all deployed to areas where they think they are more needed leaving many of us to have to phone a cental call centre so they can be drafted back when needed rather than being close by in the first place :?

 

Not a job I'd like to do though... and athough we have our own local PCSO's they cant really do much can they as they are not 'real' police :?

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:shock::shock: Didnt realise we had that many police and PCSO's Inky but then again Cheshire is a very big area and goes all the way upto Cumbria...

 

Think you'll find there's about 60 miles of Lancashire in between! :lol::lol:

 

 

I suppose they are all deployed to areas where they think they are more needed

 

The station canteens and the back of nice warm camera vans, perhaps?? Certainly not Warrington, Stockton Heath or Lymm village centres at times when there might be a genuine need for some visible policing.

 

leaving many of us to have to phone a cental call centre so they can be drafted back when needed rather than being close by in the first place

 

Maybe if they spent more time out and about in the community, then there'd be fewer incidents for them to respond to??

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Blummin' heck I'm typing slow tonight as everytime I press submit there are other post's that I've missed :lol:

 

I think just as I may take a strong stance on defending my generation, some members do make some comments where I don't think they realise how insulting they actually are.

 

I understand that you were all teenagers once, but times change and some of your views are quite outdated, with some of your comments quite concerning. To which I try not to sound aggressive, but I do believe in making a strong stance so you hopefully understand how wrong some of the things you say about my generation are.

 

And as one member of this forum said to me about not judging someone they've never met, I don't think any of you can comment on who I know, who I'm friends with, and who I'm representing.

 

Tom....

 

If you would like point out any comments that you feel I personally may have made which have either offended, insulted or concerned you or indeed where I may be being outdated with my own views then please could you let me know as I would be very interested to hear 'what' they are and 'why' you feel like that. I would hate to think that you feel you are being picked on by a bunch of old'er' people :lol::wink:

 

Thanks :wink:

 

PS... With 2000 local youngsters supporting you and wanting a youth cafe then why don't you get some more of them to post on here (they must all have mobiles and access to the internet) and don't forget that the council leaders and members read this forum too :D:wink:

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When I was giving my statement that night at the Police station, I took the opportunity to ask the Police officer roughly how many officers are out tonight and remember him telling me that there's approximately 12 Officers for the whole of Latchford, Lymm, Stockton Heath, Walton etc. Now some may think that's enough, but considering the amount of people there must be in those area's put together, I don't think 12 Officers is hardly enough.

 

Now it could be that he didn't mention the amount of PCSO's that are about, but I know that when my mother called for the Police because of a domestic issue, we waited three hours.

 

We rang three times, were given a special number to ring in case anything happened, in which we ended up having to ring, and when we were put through to this special unit, they had no idea about why we were ringing up or why we were given the special number.

 

It was a complete failure for the Police and I just hope it isn't common practise for families to wait three hours for the Police to come and help in domestic issues.

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60 miles :shock::oops::oops:

 

Not doing too well tonight am I :lol:

 

And just realised that the last bit of my previous post should probably have been under Tom's other topic rather than this one :oops:

 

I think I'd better leave you all too it now... oooh self inflicted festive 'water' poisoning :oops::lol::wink: I knew I should have driven last night and not walked :lol:

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Blummin' heck I'm typing slow tonight as everytime I press submit there are other post's that I've missed :lol:

 

 

Tom....

 

If you would like point out any comments that you feel I personally may have made which have either offended, insulted or concerned you or indeed where I may be being outdated with my own views then please could you let me know as I would be very interested to hear 'what' they are and 'why' you feel like that. I would hate to think that you feel you are being picked on by a bunch of old'er' people :lol::wink:

 

Thanks :wink:

 

PS... With 2000 local youngsters supporting you and wanting a youth cafe then why don't you get some more of them to post on here (they must all have mobiles and access to the internet) and don't forget that the council leaders and members read this forum too :D:wink:

 

Mostly, it relates to comments and views that were held in the Walton Gardens debate that did seem to turn into "attack the noobie" and I'm not sure exactly who did and has said what without going through the threads I've posted on.

But I'm not going to point the finger at each member and whine about who said what.

 

I just think that just as if I ever said something about older people, some members would argue the case I'm wrong. So I don't see why as soon as I argue the case as why some member's comments are wrong, suddenly everyone starts telling me to quiet down.

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't take any comments personal and respect that some people will always retain certain views. But that doesn't stop me from shouting my views and arguing why I'm right :wink:

 

But My whole role as an MYP and as a young person is about representing young people and when I don't agree with a comment, I will oppose it quite strongly.

 

 

As for trying to get more young people on here, when I posted the Youth Service thread, a lot of the views were from young people who saw my advertising statuses on facebook and I believe Jenny George (A good friend of mine) joined soon after reading it.

I hope more young people do join this forum as maybe we can then have some balance between our generation's views and your generation's views :wink:

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Fair enough Tom... I though you were referring to more recent posts about the youth club etc and my paranoia also presumed you were referring to something I may have said too :wink:

 

Look forward to more youngsters coming on here.. although you seem to have split 'us' into two categories again ie You Young vs Us Old / our generation vs your generation with your last sentence :? You really need to get over that :?

 

Really suprised to hear that there are only about 12 police officers to cover such a large area though Tom especially given the large volume of revellers in some areas at the weekend. :shock:

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Sounds good to me, nothing like a bit of harmless cyber confrontation of beliefs xD

No such thing as harmless cyber confrontation, by definition true confrontation takes place face to face involving a conflict of interests or opinions.

However we oldies don't always hold the correct answers to given situations although we really like to think that we do.

Example:

A fable recounted in Langland?s Piers Plowman (1377). A group of mice continually harassed by a certain cat met to decide what to do about the problem. One old mouse suggested that a bell hung around the cat?s neck would serve to warn the mice of the feline?s approach. This idea was greeted with much enthusiasm until a bright young mouse brought up the question, ?But who will place the bell around the cat's neck? :wink:

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Dizzy,

 

Might be what the criminals do, but at night the job is to catch criminals. You certainly wouldn't catch any burglars or shop breakers if you were out in the open. The 'shape shine and shadow lasted for about 130 years. (darkened helmets in the night)

 

Inky pete,

I don't know how the speed van works but I would suggest that if say a suspect vehicle goes past, they would be in touch very quickly with a motor patrol car should the offence warrant it. I believe it is photography for more minor offences.

Certainly in the old days if we did a road block, there was always a fast car hidden away.

 

As a matter of interest the usual deployment of speed cameras and the like in less busy throughfares is in answer to complaints from the public and the frequency of accidents.

 

Happy days

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I don't wish there to be a divide, but it does seem that whenever I post a comment, the oldies get together and seem to do some kind of "Back in the day....." which ultimately causes a 'my generation believes this, your generation believes this' xD

 

Tom, just how do you want experienced adults to respond? :shock:

People older than me or more experienced in some areas than me, normally have far more knowledge than I do and I listen to them.

Apart from a bit of stick on the Walton Garden thread, what has been said that you don't like?

Tongue in cheek, you are beginning to sound like a politician and listen to the stuff you only like. :wink::lol:

Try to think of the comments from someone who has been around the block a few times as pointing out potential pitfalls.

Most comments come from experience, and it is not always necessary to defend or attack, but just digest the information.

 

As for the police numbers, NO they are not enough. But no doubt you are aware that the country has a few financial problems and are cutting back on the money available to the police forces. As for St.Heath and other Parish areas, some of them actually pay for the PCSO's.

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I believe the optimum police strength should be 1 per 500 of the population, however, divide this by 5 to allow for on duty numbers do to shift pattern, leave, courses etc. Next, remember that "in the good old days"; one copper could walk the beat on his own, cos a) he was over 6ft tall and big with it, B) had no qualms about challenging behaviour and even chastising any lippy louts who tried it on. Nowadays, with male coppers of 5ft 6" and below, and female coppers below 5ft; they would need to await backup to sought a situation out.: and c) coppers who actually lived (in police houses) within the community and actually knew everyone in it; not commuting here from Blackpool. And, as with many other institutions, IF they dumped most of the red tape, targets and stats, that a required to bolster their political bosses, they might be able to spend more time on the job. :roll:

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Obs :shock::shock::shock:

 

Overall police numbers are probably about right - or maybe a little higher than they need to be.

 

The problem is that most of the time most coppers are not doing the things which the public want them to be doing, they are hidden away in offices doing paperwork, or seconded to task forces, teams, and projects which no-one cares about.

 

With the right organisation, a long hard look at manpower deployment, and some decent technology to enable solo patrols and paperwork being done in the field, we could have a police force which was far more visible with no more - or even fewer - officers.

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Gentlemen, unless things have changed drastically, the individual officer would much prefer to be out on the beat rather than doing paperwork, which is an absolute grind.

 

There is no choice though cos paper work has to be done to satisfy the home office mainly, and other departments.

 

I remember some 25 years ago or more questioning the need to indicate how many Ford escorts were stolen on a Tuesday as against blue ones on a Wednesday( via tick boxes), but the statistcians need to know all these things - and a thousand others.

 

Paper work cannot be done outside by a foot patrol officer and only a very limited amount in a car.

 

Happy days

 

Happy days

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There are other possible economies - EG, do we need an expensively trained and paid copper out booking folk in Town for speeding? Surely such menial fixed penalty enforcement could be done by less well paid CPSOs? :?

 

or civilian collaborators such as those in the "community speed check areas" :lol:

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