asperity Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 As long as you offer people more money for not working than employers are able or willing to pay them to work, then unemployment will be high. Is a dose of reality required? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Man hands on misery to man, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Never looked at it that way before Asp: so, in order to compete with the Chinese, our workforce adopt the same living standards as them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Don't try and put words into my mouth Obs. I wasn't suggesting a pay cut for the workers, but rather a rationalisation of the benefit system so that it no longer becomes more beneficial to be unemployed than employed. A good start would be a simplification of the tax system so that the worst off workers are taken out of the tax and benefits system altogether, being allowed to keep their earnings to do with as they wish. In other words improve the lot of the poor rather than do it the socialist way of dragging the better off down to the level of the poorest by stealing all their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So if we tax the Bankers to fund the poor, it's stealing - sort of stealing from the thieves then?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So if we tax the Bankers to fund the poor, it's stealing - sort of stealing from the thieves then?! Â Redistribution of wealth is the apt expression, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I agree that the worst off workers should be taken out of the tax system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I agree that the worst off workers should be taken out of the tax system  Wasn't that going to happen with this lot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 With all the crap they are putting out, who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 So if we tax the Bankers to fund the poor, it's stealing - sort of stealing from the thieves then?! Â Are you making my posts up for yourself Obs? I never mentioned taxing or not taxing bankers, or indeed mention bankers at all. But while you mention them, I think you will find that bankers aren't tax exempt. I would, however, like poorly paid workers to be tax exempt up to a reasonable level. I.E. restore tax allowances to a level that takes poorly paid people out of the need to claim benefits to survive. it's not rocket science really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Nothing in your post that I disagree with Asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Arn't the Bankers part of "the better off", and by taxing their ill gotten gains, arn't we " dragging them down"? In an unregulated society, the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer - in fact, that's precisely what has been happening over recent decades, as the wealth gap in the UK is now wider than in pre-war years. So, the redistribution of wealth, is not only morally fair imo, but necessary to social cohesion and ultimately economic prosperity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Obs you really are a broken record. Where do you draw the line between the better off and the poor? Or is it just bankers who are the object of your dislike? Are there some bankers who don't make so much money that they will escape your wrath, or are they all tarred with the same brush? Do tradesmen who make a lot of money doing jobs for the poor downtrodden workers not in the same category? Typical socialist ideas. Soak the rich until the pips squeak and, oh yes, soak the poor as well because they will vote Labour whatever we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 Nah, "from each according to their means, to each according to their needs" - simples. After all, didn't the Tory Chancellor say "we're all in it together"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 So now you're a Marxist? Â Haha. Â obs = obfuscatory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Errm, perhaps George Osborne is?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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