observer Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Seems they are going to save ?2billion on support for legal aid - hopefully this will hit the HR lawyers right where it hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 And stop some of the more frivolous claims!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 yes....... but Legal Aid also helps 'genuine' people who have legal problems but who can't afford to see or pay costly solicitors fees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Exactly, and they should be the ones who can claim and be funded, unlike the ones who claim for all the wrong reasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 maybe I should check out the full story rather than replying to Obs' one sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 From what I remember, some or all of the MPs who have been charged over expenses, were going to get legal aid!! Now that, I think, is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Right I had a quick look and seem legal aid is likely to be cut in the following area's/cases some of which I agree with Divorce Employment Personal injury claims School admission appeals Medical malpractice Immigration Welfare and consumer cases So what's left then other than if you are arrested for a crime and sent to court... can you still get legal aid for that? My brain has gone blank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 It's a nonsense that those who can afford to pay, don't have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 does that mean we will see less of those annoying adverts. "we are injuring lawyers for you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Think you'll find the "no win, no fee" scams may increase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 It's a nonsense that those who can afford to pay, don't have to. So is it a nonsense that those who can't afford to pay wont get it now either ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 It will effect the poor, they will not be able to afford justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Well that all depends.... apparently, the legal aid bill in this country costs every resident taxpayer an average of ?38.00 per head. In France it is just ?3.00 per head last year almost ?100million ? a tenth of the legal aid budget for civil cases ? went to lawyers representing asylum seekers who have never contributed a penny to the Treasury. Much of this huge sum was spent on a merry-go-round of repeated appeals that caused endless delays in deportations and added to a backlog of 400,000 cases. Nearly half goes on civil cases, including suing the NHS for negligence ? though there are lawyers aplenty willing to do the work on a no-win, no-fee basis. and last year alone, a record ?21million went on lawsuits brought by prisoners seeking damages from the government. ........and finally don't forget that the wife of Tony Bliar made millions of pounds carrying out legal aid work..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 16, 2010 Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 It's a nonsense that those who can afford to pay, don't have to. So is it a nonsense that those who can't afford to pay wont get it now either ? Did I say that???? It is a nonsense that instead of means testing it, no-one gets it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2010 Right on Baz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Did I say that???? It is a nonsense that instead of means testing it, no-one gets it. It is already means tested Peter For legal aid on immigration cases you must have no more that ?3000 in capital. Your capital must be no more than ?8,000.00 to get legal aid for everything else: Beats me how the MP's were eligable for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 There were cases last year that people with loadsa money got Legal Aid, hence my comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 My point still stands it will effect the poor, they have even less access to justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Justice in what sense and for what reasons? I don't think WE should be paying for someone's divorce proceedings for example; nor vexatious claims against public institutions, that we (tax-payers) ultimately pay for the claims; and especially assylum claims, where the recipient of legal aid hasn't paid a dime in contributions in tax or anything else. The Army of HR lawyers who've been making a financial killing at our expense, will now have to revert to" no win, no pay" work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 What about people on minimum wage, fighting an employer, Are they just collateral damage Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Think employment cases involving loss of job and other cases involving loss of one's home are exempt: having said that, if cases were judged on the basis of right and wrong, rather than technical points of law, we may need less lawyers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 There were cases last year that people with loadsa money got Legal Aid, hence my comment. I wonder how they got it then... slight oversight regarding their savings etc maybe or offshore bank accounts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 The latter or both. Bit like the tax system, knowing the fiddles. The problem is, that if it wasn't for those fiddling, it probably wouldn't be necessary yo look into cutting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Very true Peter. The Greedy spoiling it for the Needy (copyright) ..... ps problems with your keyboard today too Peter or are you just using rapping 'street talk' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 17, 2010 Report Share Posted November 17, 2010 Very true Peter. The Greedy spoiling it for the Needy (copyright) ..... ps problems with your keyboard today too Peter or are you just using rapping 'street talk' Anaesthetic residues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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