Bazj Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Did you know that it costs 60p a minute for a young offender to call his family while in a young offenders institute? Listening to the radio tonight, that is what someone from the Howard legue for penal reform said...... Well my heart bleeds, and apparently he reckons that is why the young scum bags were rioting for the last two nights; that and because they are not treated with respect!! I think solitary confinement and an automatic doubling of the sentence and a removal of parole for all those involved would be the least that should be done. It really pigs me off when these doo gooding prats rattle on about prisoner rights..... I mean they may be getting the vote now!! What next, just not bother to prosecute them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Wy does it cost 60p a minute though and who gets the profit made from the calls... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Am I missing something, I thought going to prison or a youth offending establishment was suppose to a punishment and that civil liberties are denied you because you were convicted of crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 60p a minute, that's day light robbery, I would complain to the police if I were them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazj Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Am I missing something, I thought going to prison or a youth offending establishment was suppose to a punishment and that civil liberties are denied you because you were convicted of crime? Exactly what I was thinking..... of course the voting nonsense is all down to Kijes beloved EU, but the phone thing shocked me that much, it nearly had me giving way for a cyclist!! About time prison became a punishment and not a holiday camp. If little Johnny misses mummy so much; he shouldn't be a naughty boy should he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Penal Servitude was abolished in the UK by an act of parliament in 1948. This Act replaced the concept of prison being a place where further punishment - whether by hard labour or harsh conditions - took place, with one where the simple denial of liberty was considered to be the punishment element of a convicts sentence. I'm afraid that even I can't blame europe for that one! From a rehabilition point of view, continued contact with positive influences and "normality" such as family members is considered pretty much essential, especially in the case of youth offenders. So 60p a minute to phone home - out of a convicts weekly wages of maybe ?6 to ?8 per week for working voluntarily in the prison kitchens or on one of the other work schemes the prison will have running - does seem a bit counter-productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Inky.... as the old saying goes.... "If you can't do the time; don't do the crime" I personally wouldn't even allow visitors, but then that's my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Good old Baz! Much as I want to agree with you, we can't blame this one on the EU. The European Convention on Human Rights was a seperate Treaty that we are signed up to; it's appeal decisions evidently allow an "unelected" court, to overule the "elected" parliament of this Country. There is of course a simple solution - just renage on the Treaty at the same time as we renage on the Treaty of Rome - thus freeing ourselves of all this liberal PC nonesense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 From a rehabilition point of view, continued contact with positive influences and "normality" such as family members is considered pretty much essential, especially in the case of youth offenders. So 60p a minute to phone home - out of a convicts weekly wages of maybe ?6 to ?8 per week for working voluntarily in the prison kitchens or on one of the other work schemes the prison will have running - does seem a bit counter-productive. I agree with the point, but 'wages' and working 'voluntarily' do not go together in my book! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Voluntarily is the wrong description, it is a choice of working for a small monetary sum or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Why is there an element of volunteering at all? Either they are do some sort of educational course or they work - that should be compulsory to my mind. They need to have structure and discipline to rehabilitate them back into the community to lead useful lives. Doing nothing should never be an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 So what do you do, if they refuse to comply? Not sure the "bread and water" sanction would be allowed now under HR law?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Why is there an element of volunteering at all? Either they are do some sort of educational course or they work - that should be compulsory to my mind. They need to have structure and discipline to rehabilitate them back into the community to lead useful lives. Doing nothing should never be an option. There isn't the facility for them all to take on jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 a few weeks back it was announced that prisoners will be able to work a forty hour week with a percentage of their wages going to the victims of crime. the jobs will be supplied by outside industry. so the next time you call that helpline you could be talking to a prisoner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 7, 2010 Report Share Posted November 7, 2010 There isn't the facility for them all to take on jobs. The original post was about young offenders therefore there are plenty of community tasks they could perform, (I know some do gardening) to make sure they are occupied. Surely part of their rehabilitation should be to show them there are options other than to do nothing, which probably led to them doing wrong in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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