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So we're now on a high terror alert following the discovery of ink cartridge bombs in the UK and Dubai. Would have blown the planes apart if they had ever gone off apparently :shock:

 

Surely whoever sent them must have expected them to be found though as why would they send them via UPS and FEDEX parcel delivery?

 

I presume all parcels go through xray etc etc as standard... don't they :shock:

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Something completly different will happen now but along terrorist lines. All the goverment resources will be placed on extra airport security etc and they'll strike using another format.

 

A touch of a another terrorist faction were aware of where they used to set timers on bombs to maim the civil servants who were attending the scene of the first explosion.

 

Terrorism is something only intelligence will combat because you never know when only if and how they may might do it. :(

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Sadly you are probably right there :cry:

 

Very worrying and there is no way that they can know of, or intercept, every possible threat before it happens.

 

I guess we are probably at just as much risk every single day but most of the time we don't think or worry about it :?

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It's early days for Al Quaeda, who appear relatively amateurish compared to the IRA. But they'll no doubt become more sophisticated and ambitious as time goes on. They'll also, continue to seek "soft" targets, forcing the security services to continue to "harden" them up with extra security measures, that will impose ever more restrictions on our daily lives - so to that extent, they will be winning. They appear to be fixated on high profile newsworthy incidents to-date, but no doubt they'll eventually discover that a super-bug, carried by a martyr, is unlikely to be detected - scary. :shock:

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We need to stop giving them the "oxygen of publicity". Without the media interest terrorism will only work in a restricted way i.e. a bomb in Madrid will certainly terrify the people of Madrid, but without world wide publicity the effect is relatively small. By imposing world-wide restrictions on ordinary people, which terrorists seem to be able to get past anyway :roll: , we are doing the terrorist's work for him. I'm not saying ignore them and they will go away, but undercover investigations don't need major media cover of every possible imagined threat. :wink::wink:

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We might think that these people are amateurish but they?re not stupid because they?re simply using the technologies that we develop here in the west against us. The ability to track a parcel online or indeed to locate mobile phones become perfect tools in the hands of a terrorist so who?s really the amateur?

 

Twenty years ago, I designed and sold decoders used primarily by amateur weather and aviation enthusiast that displayed the weather reports from intercontinental aircraft. The units received excellent reviews by the BBC?s World service and were sold all over the world. The information displayed contained both the aircraft?s flight number and it?s exact location and altitude making it a perfect terrorist tool. :shock:

 

I?ve just noticed that these units are still being traded today on internet sites.

 

Heres one I just found

 

Tomorrow headlines ?Local man assists would be terrorist!? :lol::lol::lol:

 

Bill :)

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:lol:

 

Sue, I think there was several packages, not just one, and everything stopped when the plot became known. (I think)

 

Bill :)

 

How come, when governments have spent millions on security and fought wars on such threats of terrorism, they still allow bombs on board planes, to escort with fighter jets a plane the way the Americans knew had a suspect package, still do not wahy it was allowed to fly so far.

 

Having watched a programme called ?In plane sight by Dave VonKleist, obviously a conspiracy theory, it does make you wonder, who has the most to gain by controlling individuals, news and nations?

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Sue

 

Didn?t quite understand that but if you?re saying why did they allow it to land in America then I suppose they don?t have a lot of options once it?s in the air and past a certain point.

 

Think we should just be thankful that the plot was stopped in time.

 

Bill :)

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Twenty years ago, I designed and sold decoders used primarily by amateur weather and aviation enthusiast that displayed the weather reports from intercontinental aircraft. The units received excellent reviews by the BBC?s World service and were sold all over the world. The information displayed contained both the aircraft?s flight number and it?s exact location and altitude making it a perfect terrorist tool. :shock:

 

I?ve just noticed that these units are still being traded today on internet sites.

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Bill you don't have to buy the technology go here it's free and in real time and this is only one of three available over europe.

http://www.flightradar24.com/

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Algy

 

I know you don?t need hardware these days but back then there was no Internet and it all had to be done over short-wave radio. Yes it?s this sort of technology being freely accessible to all and sundry that?s all a bit worrying.

 

It?s exactly the same for shipping where you can go down to somewhere like Liverpool and track all the comings and goings in real time.

 

Bill :)

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The possibilities are infinite and limited only by the imagination and technology of the terrorists, and each probing attempt causes a reaction, which gradually begins to stifle increasing aspects of our lives. Bush's so called "war on terror" has clearly failed to eliminate Al Queda, merely to bog us down in two wars, with gradual sapping of Western morale through the now regular loss of our young men and women. Asp is right, publicity doesn't help; and the most successfull counter attacks have been made by covert operations by intelligence organisations, using pin point surgical strikes (with drones etc), to eliminate terror cells and leaders. But even this doesn't drain the marsh of ignorance and brainwashing that breeds recruitment to these groups; feed young minds with religious myths, add some historical perceptions about christian crusaders, then confirm those perceptions with modern day crudading invasions, and the resentment becomes a contagion. :cry:

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I'm just a little suspicious of this terror alert.

As Michael O'Leary, of Ryanair, said on radio this morning, they have found two printer cartridges on a plane. He is not convinced they have found two bombs.

But having made such a song and dance out of it, no-one is going to admit there were no bombs, are they?

Of course, it is ridiculous that things like printer cartridges have to be airlifted around the globe. They should be made in the country where they are going to be used, like all the other small gadgets, electronic goods, etc, which can be used to disguise a bomb.

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Of course, it is ridiculous that things like printer cartridges have to be airlifted around the globe. They should be made in the country where they are going to be used, like all the other small gadgets, electronic goods, etc, which can be used to disguise a bomb.

 

So let me get this straight, you think it would be a good idea to ban the export of electronic and computer based products worldwide, completely idiotic.

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Whilst not a ban, it would make sense if, in principle, a policy of self sufficiency and localisation were pursued; for many reasons. Levels of global traffic ensure for example, that outbreaks of disease (natural or man made) are guaranteed to become pandemics within days - the consequence of which don't bare thinking about; and before anyone says it, the Mexican outbreak, it was merely luck that it wasn't a lethal strain. Civilization and the "global village" are a very thin veneer and extremely vunerable. :shock:

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Whilst not a ban, it would make sense if, in principle, a policy of self sufficiency and localisation were pursued; for many reasons. Levels of global traffic ensure for example, that outbreaks of disease (natural or man made) are guaranteed to become pandemics within days - the consequence of which don't bare thinking about; and before anyone says it, the Mexican outbreak, it was merely luck that it wasn't a lethal strain. Civilization and the "global village" are a very thin veneer and extremely vunerable. :shock:

 

Your just as daft as Egbert. The only way to stop a virus spreading from country to country would be to ban ALL travel to and from ALL countries, which is one of your more pathetic ideas. I'm sure Bin Laden would be howling with laughter if he was to read yours and Egberts solutions to a few "devices". Get a grip man

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Your obviously oblivious to the threat posed by a pandemic - there was a US prog on the other night, which covered the subject - and basically there's nowt down for us - the few survivors would be back in the 18th century. As for transporting "gadgets", it might help employment in the UK, if we had more items "made in Britain". :roll:

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Don't get me into pandemics! I didn't introduce that issue.

 

But WHY would it not make sense to make trivial items like printer cartridges in this country, rather than importing them from all over the world? And note, I used the word "import" because I suspect we import a lot more of this sort of thing than we export.

We used to be self-sufficient in so many things that we now rely on from abroad and I can't see what is wrong with that.

 

Unless, PJ, you simply want to benefit on cheap good made by underpaid workers overseas?

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The scene- A cave somewhere in Afganistan, present at centre stage is Osama Bin Laden discussing his latest diabolical plans with his trusty lieutenants.

 

Enter stage left a hot bothered and obviously terrified messenger.

 

Messenger- Osama, I bear grave tidings.

 

Osama - the Infidel has discovered our base?

 

Messenger - No Osama its worse.

 

Osama - They've captured our agents?

 

Messenger - No Osama its even worse. They are planning to (pause for dramatic effect) Make their own printer cartridges.

 

1st lieutenant - but they cant do that. What about international copyrights?

 

2nd lieutenant - and I heard that the UK is skint so how will the afford to build all the factories required?

 

Osama - Shhh all of you, tell me messenger how can this be so.

 

Messenger - they employed the ideas of a great brain Osama.

 

Osama - you mean Egbert?

 

Messenger - the very same. Oh what now Osama?

 

Osama - I see only one course of action open to us now.

 

1st lieutenant - put explosives in something else other than printer cartridges?

 

Osama - No we will abandon our cause and turn our backs on violence. No more can we stand against the infidels superior minds.

 

2nd lieutenant - but what for us then Osama?

 

Osama - We will throw off our religous faith and turn our back on Islam. We will trim our beards and move to Britain. It seems Observer is going to turn it into a huge Amish community.

 

cue curtain :lol::lol::lol:

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