Dizzy Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 When/if a fuller consultation is implemented the following questions should be asked as it is inevitable that all people would say 'yes' when asked if they would prefer a reduction to 20mph on their own roads. However they may not consider that all other residents will say the same for their own roads too which would lead to a blanket rollout of 20 mph on ALL residential roads (and as I've said before most roads have houses on them even the bigger roads) So questions 1. Do you agree with a reduction to 20mph on YOUR road being implemented? Yes / No 2. Do you agree with a reduction to 20mph on ALL OTHER residentail roads being implemented. Yes / No 3. How many roads in Warrington can you name which are not residential (ie do not have houses on them, please name) 4. Do you realise that if everyone agrees with their own roads being reduced to 20 mph this would lead to a blanket 20 mph limit across ALL residential roads in the borough of Warrington bein implemented. Yes / No 5. Would you like to change any of your previous answers based on the last question? and Rod.... you mention 'we' a lot in your last post. Why are we not seeing anyone else from your side of the discussion backing you up or are they scared of us PS I'm in a much better mood today Regards to you all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 We also agree that discussion is important, and that is why I continue to have a dialog on the forum even though there are several posters who disagree with my views. Not several Rod, it's everyone as far as I can see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Now that can be twisted to mean two completely different meanings depending on what you want it to mean Fatso. I presume Rod was saying that there are several people posting on here who disagree with what he is saying... and he is right. There are only several people discussing this on the forum and all seem to be in disagreement. However by you simply saying 'everyone' disagrees Fats.. you could be mistaken as meaning 'everyone in Warrington' disagrees and as they havent been asked you can't day that There is a fine line between fact and fiction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Hello again Rod You have said that "in the UK 23% of the people killed on our roads are pedestrians. In the Netherlands its less than 10%.". Is this a fair comparison considering that the population of the UK is far higher ? Presumably the % quoted are based on polulation numbers and if so that means that % wise the UK actually has less pedestrians killed on the roads than the Netherlands. Or am I confusing myself again... wouldn't be the first time today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Perhaps our pedestrians are 13% more stupid than Dutch ones for walking out in front of oncoming cars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Still more of us than there are of them so proportionately we's more cleverer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Still more of us than there are of them so proportionately we's more cleverer Diz, I'm afraid percentages = proportionally, so we are more likely to walk in front of a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 to quote George Carlin "just think how stupid the average person is and then realise that half of them are even stupider" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Here's a snippet of Warrington for consideration. Would anyone care like guess, which of the roads shown here will be classed by the council as being residential and subject to the 20mph limit? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 what's that Bill ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Not telling you cos you deleted my swear word! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 ..... and now you have added text under the 'whats that' just to make me look stupid You ba***rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 is it the M62 Bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Well you shouldn't be so flippin quick to dive in should you. Had to see if the picture came out right first before writing anything! You realise you've totally beggared (being considerate) what stated out as a serious post. Dosn't really matter though because the council will do what they want to do anyway. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Bill does this mean you don't have the answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Sorry Bill........... getting back to your question My guess would be all the roads highlighted in yellow and all the smaller (white) residential roads will become 20 mph. In short ALL except Birchwood Way and the Motorway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Seems he was just teasing Dizzy....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 That's what I think as well Diz. The bottom line is that this council egged on by the likes of Rod King will see virtually every road in the town with a 20mph limit. This is the real big issue and the one that Rod has carefully avoided by getting people debating all the irrelavent stuff like noise levels and gearbox ratios. Rods main argument was that 20mph on residential roads would have virtually no effect on journey times as the residential part of any journey was only small. I origionally agreed with this but Rods insistance that Long Lane being classed as residential made it abundantly clear that this was never going to be the case. The map here shows certain roads in yellow and these are someones definition of the main feeder routes for the residential estates. To my way of thinking, these roads should be left as they are now and this would give a good compromise betwwen safety and the need to comute effectivly. It won't make a blind bit of difference whatever people say though because the council with a stated anti private motorist policy will absolutly do what they want to. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 So not the M62 then Bill. I'm rubbish at quizzes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Well Bill despite my best efforts I can't find the info on the council's OWN website as to which roads are inevitabely going to become 20mph zones etc etc etc or indeed anything relating to deadline of 3 February for Objections or Representation to be put forward (actually are they 20mph zones or 20mph speed limits as there seems to be a difference) While I am not completely against certain roads becoming 20 mph I feel the whole campaign and indeed the previous consultations exercises have been both totally misleading and also have excluded an huge majority of road users in the area. We are lucky as we are aware of it all thanks to Warrington Worldwide and this forum but there will be many many people who wont know about it until it happens and they are affected by it. Maybe the council could post a message on their electronic message boards in Warrington INFORMING all road users of the deadline and proposals ... Something like '20mph limit on all roads in Warrington.... if you disagree/agree phone 444400 before 3 Feb 2011' Saying that I'm sure many people travelling through the town centre would be elated to think that they may be able to get upto 20mph on some of the roads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Sorry it's not been the best of days but no not the M62 Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 PMA Bill (possitive mental attitude)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 You're worse at quizzes than I am Bill. You set us a question, we have a guess, you say "not a clue regarding the answer" thats a rubbish quiz if you ask me. I know your annoyed as you were conned in a phone scam but it doesn't excuse posing questions when you have no answers only guesses. We all have guesses mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 That's all we can do PJ when they council don't share their info and others mislead... We all have to GUESS So are you for this 20 mph scheme then PJ either in the Town Centre or when it gets rolled out everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 18, 2011 Report Share Posted January 18, 2011 Bill, I have never been taken in by Rod King and his noise and gear box ratios...... I have always known that he is a control freak and wants everyone to cowtail to his nonsense world of 19th century travel. Cyclists are the scum of the earth, they weave all over the roads like they own them, the majority don't use lights at night and they refuse to use the cycle paths that have cost multi millions of pounds to install. If this goes ahead, it will be the second backwards step that man has made since they scrapped the Concorde...... and I have no doubts that Rod and his bunch of lycra clad weirdos didn't like Concorde either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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