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Just when the Tories were doing so well....


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Along comes some half wit stupid Tory MP to say lets take the winter fuel allowance off pensioners who live abroad. But not the ones who go abroad for the winter???

 

What bloody planet is he on? In a country where we hand out child benefits to foreigners who have kids who live halfway round the world, or give extra benefits the more wives some ethnic community members have, he wants to stop money going to people who have paid into our system all their working life just because they live in Spain! but if they only go for the winter.... he wants them to still get the allowance!

 

Doesn't the prat realise that it gets cold in Spain too? we took my 80 odd year old mum to Ibiza in a heatwave and she still wore a cardigan at night!!

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Maybe but still can't get my head round this one.

 

Surely they go to Spain in the wimter to get away from the UK's chilly climate so therefore they dont like being in the UK at winter time...

 

Like I said the money they spend when they are there goes towards the Spanish economy and not the UK's so still don't see why they should get UK handouts if they aren't actually here.

 

I'm here, I'm bloody freezing and I don't get a penny towards my heating :D

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Presumably, the allowance is "so they can keep themselves warm in Winter" - some do it by having their heating on longer, and presumably some do it by moving to a warmer climate?! :wink: Alas, a slight improvement on Maggie's advice to pensioners - wrap up with extra layers of clothing; no wonder so many died of hyperthermia under her regime. :roll:

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Rather agree with you Geoff, particularly since many of our utilities are now foreign owned. My understanding of EU rules is that industries cannot be nationalised, the UK is treading a fine line with its nationalisation of Northern Rock.

 

Of course the irony with the privatisation of our utilities(I never bought any shares :wink: ) was that it was meant to create competition, the reality is that by and large, true competition was never really created and many utilities merged into larger utility companies to stifle competition....and the regulators have been ineffective...and of course in a truely competitive industry you don't need a regulator as such. :wink:

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Seems even Tories recognise that the only way to save companies is to Nationalise them - EG remember Rolls Royce?! :wink: As for the Utilities: once upon a time, I paid BRITISH GAS for my gas, MANWEB for electricity; N/W WATER for water and BRITISH Telecom for my phone - giving unto Ceasare what was Ceasare's and knowing exactly who was who, and what was what. :o:x

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I doubt there has ever been any longevity to political consistency and principles and certainly after 1979 and the realisation of the multitude of political disasters throughout the 1960s and 1970s by both major parties.

 

Socialism died in reality after 1985 with Kinnock's defeat of the militant tendency until Monday when a "group of Labour MPs broke into a chorus of "The Red Flag" in the corridor outside the tea room after 3rd reading of the Banking (Special Provisions) Bill".

 

The dark days may very well be returning....

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But the truth is that, by shopping around, you CAN pay less for the "same gas". Don't ask me how it works, I'm only a simple sailor. And you are perfectly correct that the energy suppliers are profiteers, but that's what people go into business for - to make profits. And the truth is that if the energy were privatised we would be paying more for a poorer service. It's all very well dreaming about government that has our best interests at heart. There's no such animal. :roll::roll:

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