Robbo Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Seems to be another U turn by the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Reformers always say that prison doesn't work. Perhaps not. But most people who are sent to prison have had a couple of cautions; fines; CSO etc, none of which worked either. At least in prison, we know where they are and for some it acts as a deterrent. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 30, 2010 Report Share Posted June 30, 2010 Short sentencing is a waste of time: - folk finish up losing a job, like the bloke who got six weeks for not paying his ex maintainance - all they had to do was deduct it from earnings. As for the rest, burglars, rapists, murders, pedos etc - arn't doing it whilst in prison - thus crime is physically reduced (at least by those in prison!). As for rehabilitation and reform, not sure that a spell in the university of crime helps, but once they.ve reached that stage, perhaps they're beyond help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 By a strange coincidence, given the topic; a recently released prisoner allegedly shoots his ex-partner and her new partner - so it would appear prison doesn't provide a semblance of a deterent, so perhaps life behind bars should be made harsher - or would that contravine the Human Rights Act?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 But while he was in prison he was in no position to shoot anyone, so from that point of view it is a deterrent. He just wasn't kept inside long enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Missing the point Asp: this guy was soooo detered by current prison regime, that the first thing he did when he got out, was commit a murder, which will get him back in prison (if he ain't shot!). Perhaps the prison regime needs to be so draconian, that such folk would prefer to be shot, rather than return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Does putting people in Prison work? Simple answer, Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 In this case I think prison was a deterrent and the gobbin wanted to go out in a blaze of glory; "suicide by armed police". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I'm not particularly bothered whether it works or not. If they commit a crime then lock them up. If they come out after 6 months or 6 years and commit another crime then lock them up for twice as long. They'll stop eventually or die in prison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 It's you thats missing the point Obs. While he was in prison he wasn't in any position to shoot anybody, but they let him out!!! Reportedly the prison warders were concerned enough about his intentions that they warned the police who, of course, did nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 It's you thats missing the point Obs. No, no, never, surely you are joking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I'm not particularly bothered whether it works or not. If they commit a crime then lock them up. If they come out after 6 months or 6 years and commit another crime then lock them up for twice as long. They'll stop eventually or die in prison. Totally Agree!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Surely if they re-offended they would be locked up again anyway Will releasing them with the threat of being locked up for twice as long 'if' they re-offend help the families who have to cope with what they may then go on to do? Will it stop those twisted individuals who SHOULD have stayed behind bars going on to do a more serious crime or killing someone. The bloke who was recently realeased and then went on to kill one person and critically injured two other people was from what I have read only locked up for 18 weeks for assault. However the police were apparently WARNED by prison staff that he may have been planning to harm his ex-girlfriend the day before shot her, her boyfriend and a police officer and now no-one knows where he is or what his next move may be WHY ON EARTH WAS HE RELEASED !!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 He was released, cos he'd served a sentence for assault - it's not yet possible to keep someone in Prison indefinately, on the basis that s/he "might" commit another crime. In theory, one's time in prison should have been so traumatic, that one NEVER wishes to return, thus doesn't commit another crime ever - sadly not the case, thus proving that our soft prison regimes do not deter folk from re-offending - that's the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I agree with that observer. But how do you get our politicians to realise that and change it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 think most agree that prison life is too easy - the pendulum has swung too far. This Northumberland villain was automatically released after serving half his sentence. What a charade prison and punishment has become. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 You won't get the hand wringing, toga wearers that now monopolise politics listening to ordinary folk Peter - they have their liberal dogmas to pursue. If the Police do catch up with this bloke, they could save us all some time and money and shoot him on sight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Apparently one of the main objections to putting people in prison is the cost. More than for sending your child to Eton apparently! Well, the answer is not to let them out. It's to cut the cost - take away every cell luxury, privilege, etc. Give them hard labour. Bring the cost down to as near to zero as possible. Then not only would it save money but it would also make prison a little less enjoyable. I have spoken to several ex-prisoners who said it was a "doddle" - not something to fear at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Exactly. If we can?t afford more prisons and have to give reduced sentences on account of this then we really should go for shorter sentencing but make the time they spend inside just seem like an eternity. As the old joke suggests, give a nice cup of tea but when their breaks over, its back on their head upside down in the slop bucket! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Well the cost of letting this Raoul Moat out early looks like far exceeding what it would have cost to keep him inside, with all the police in the NE on overtime trying to catch him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 ... and the grounds for keeping him inside beyond his sentence - would be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Well threatening to do what he ended up doing would be a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 If threats were facts, our prisons would be full! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 If threats were facts, our prisons would be full! Obs, it is a jailable offence to threaten to kill someone..... he did that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Plus the fact that he had only served half his sentence. I thought that being let out early was dependent on being a good boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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