Latchford Transport Issues

[Peter T]

Thought Peels were reopening the old railway line as part of their Port plans

I don't know the details. If that is the same one that actually went into Solvay/Laportes as it was then, then you are right.

[vic]

5% of the countrys containerised shipping is one HELL of a lot more than 4 ships a day!!!!

 

Especially if the ships in question have to be small enough to get through the locks on the ship canal.

 

The port of Felixstowe alone handles the equivalent of almost 3 1/2 MILLION twenty foot containers per year.

As a lot of containers are larger than 20 foot, then the Port Salford plan for 300,000 containers a year may well be around 5% of UK traffic. It's rail transhipment that will provide much of the Port Salford trade.

 

at three swing bridges....

4 swing bridges,don't forget Moore Lane.

I didn't count it as causing delay (except for the occasional vehicles using it).

 

Thought Peels were reopening the old railway line as part of their Port plans

I don't know the details. If that is the same one that actually went into Solvay/Laportes as it was then, then you are right.

Don't confuse Port Salford (north of the canal west of the M60 viaduct) with Port Warrington (north of the canal west of the railway bridges).

[observer]

Guess it will allow Asperity to park his ship closer to home?!

[LymmParent]

Guess it will allow Asperity to park his ship closer to home?!

 

You'll set him off again. You don't "park" a ship......

[Peter T]

Vic, I'm NOT!

[Manchester Met Uni Studen]

Thanks for all your responses, this is a great help to our project and is providing us with good data in which to make clear conclusions of the issues.

 

The ideas with re-using the old railway system seem to be coming up a lot, as well as the canal. The plan to do something with the old railway line does seem possible. One idea is to convert it into a road and connect it to the A49. The problem with the swing bridge is still an issue which we are aware of due to the canal still being in use (however little). What are your thoughts around this plan and any possible solutions would be welcome.

 

Our project, once completed, will be presented to a number of local council members and town planners and therefore all your feedback and participation will have a real effect on the area.

[Gary]

Thanks for all your responses, this is a great help to our project and is providing us with good data in which to make clear conclusions of the issues.

 

Our project, once completed, will be presented to a number of local council members and town planners and therefore all your feedback and participation will have a real effect on the area.

 

Make sure you let them know what a great communication tool warrington-worldwide is!

[Dizzy]

Thought Peels were reopening the old railway line as part of their Port plans

I don't know the details. If that is the same one that actually went into Solvay/Laportes as it was then, then you are right.

Don't confuse Port Salford (north of the canal west of the M60 viaduct) with Port Warrington (north of the canal west of the railway bridges).

 

Wasn't confusing the two at all Vic.

 

Did you read the 'recomendation' report to the committe for application 2009/15222 (first phase of Warrington Port) for the dev control meeting on 3 March 2010.

 

Many many references to the existing berth facility and reinstatement of the railway line (ie West Coast Main Line to the site) which HAS to be implemented prior to use of the site as a port facility or operational purposes as agreed by Peels

[inky pete]

5% of the countrys containerised shipping is one HELL of a lot more than 4 ships a day!!!!

 

Especially if the ships in question have to be small enough to get through the locks on the ship canal.

 

The port of Felixstowe alone handles the equivalent of almost 3 1/2 MILLION twenty foot containers per year.

As a lot of containers are larger than 20 foot, then the Port Salford plan for 300,000 containers a year may well be around 5% of UK traffic. It's rail transhipment that will provide much of the Port Salford trade.

 

The TEU (twenty foot equivalent unit) is a pretty standard measure used by ports handling variable sized containers to quote their total throughput, I'd be surprised if the 300,000 quoted for Salford isn't already stated in TEU's.

 

 

300,000 containers a year is around 1,000 per day - still FAR more than 4 ships small enough to get through the locks could possibly carry.

[Peter T]

We have containers going up the canal now.

If the Moore one goes ahead, will the boats have to go to Manchester to turn round? Not enough room at Moore for a 3 point turn.

[byrdy]

Not enough room at Moore for a 3 point turn.

But there is at Walton Lock.

[Peter T]

Was that on the plans with the building site? Thought that Peel were doing it up as part of that scheme.

[Dizzy]

They wont be using Walton Locks as both housing plans have been passed ie current works for 400+ homes on the old timber yard and 45 (ish) on the old cement works site. The old lock inbetween is being tidied and will remain a wildlife/water 'feature'

 

Hard to turn a ship round there anyway due to the angle in and out....

 

They could always turn round in Moore Quary though if an entrance was dug into it from the canal... ok so I'm still mooching about on google earth

[byrdy]

They could always turn round in Moore Quary though if an entrance was dug into it from the canal...

 

Oi,Moore Quarry is owned by Warrington Anglers,we don't want our fish swimming away down the canal!

[Dizzy]

Fish need to be free to roam and explore..... and not stuck in a dark, deep, murky and dangerous quarry

[Peter T]

Fish need to be free to roam and explore..... and not stuck in a dark, deep, murky and dangerous quarry

I thought that it was an open air swimming pool for the locals.

[observer]

Do the fish realise they are stuck in a deep quarry?

[vic]

We have containers going up the canal now.

If the Moore one goes ahead, will the boats have to go to Manchester to turn round? Not enough room at Moore for a 3 point turn.

Existing container barge to Irlam to call each day (one day upstream, next downstream) and other cargo to be unloaded by passing boats which would mostly be going further upstream. But I suppose Warrington Dock could be used for turning (once described as a sop to Warrington so the Corporation would support building of the MSC).