asperity Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Well that just about sums Gordon up perfectly if you ask me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Are you sure he wasn't describing himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 It takes one to know one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Are you sure he wasn't describing himself? nope.... definately Gordon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Gordy's attempts to appear human, with his personal interviews with creeps like Piers Morgan, is rather sad and pathetic. - it's just not his nature. Afraid Flash Gordon can't match Flash Harry (Dave) in the personality stakes, anymore than he could match Flash Tony; so forget the sympathy vote Gordy and get on with appearing to be "the safe pair of hands at the wheel" or better "the devil we know". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Gordy's attempts to appear human, with his personal interviews with creeps like Piers Morgan, is rather sad and pathetic. - it's just not his nature. Afraid Flash Gordon can't match Flash Harry (Dave) in the personality stakes, anymore than he could match Flash Tony; so forget the sympathy vote Gordy and get on with appearing to be "the safe pair of hands at the wheel" or better "the devil we know". Under Labour 1964-70, the stock market?s real return (adjusted for inflation) went down by 13 per cent. Under Labour 1974-79 (which included Denis Healey?s grovelling to the IMF), it went down by 11.5 per cent. Under Mr Brown, the London stock market?s decline in real return is more than 20 per cent. Safe??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 But high stock markets are not necessarily a sign of national success, but simply a success for those who own shares and whose pay depends on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 And people who's pensions rely on them, and companies who rely on inward investment to expand and provide jobs, and income, for the working man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trojan Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 Regardless of how strong or weak the economy is, one only makes money by buying low and selling high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 14, 2010 Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 So your measure of economic success Asp; is whether a bunch of gamblers are prepared to make their fickle bets on the stock exchange? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2010 As I'm sure you realise Obs, companies of all shapes and size who want to raise money to improve/expand/diversify their business do so by selling shares. Without the stock market to facilitate this everything would stagnate. So a healthy stock market is a sign of a healthy economy. Even Red China has a booming stock market helping its booming economy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 In theory yes; in practise no: part of the problem we've recently had is due to so-called "hedge funds" and the specultation on currency - ?billions are made overnight in this casino system - it's never really changed since the South Sea Bubble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 In theory yes and in practice yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 If you're looking for the new South Sea Bubble, look no further than the artificial carbon trading market which has been set up using taxpayers money and is booming on receipts from higher costs on everything from energy to food. There are people such as Al Gore making billions from this totally false scare driven market and we are the fools paying into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 We are indeed Asperity. I like... a figure of speech but actually I don't, the way taxes are now called a trading market. Guess income tax will soon be called an income trading market etc etc. Financially losing the election was the best thing that ever happened to Mr Gore...Mr Brown should take heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Think your proving my point Asp; so-called "carbon trading" is yet another aspect of this Alice in Wonderland, smoke and mirrors bulls**t known as global capitalism! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Under Mr Brown, the London stock market?s decline in real return is more than 20 per cent. Are you blaming Mr Brown or the Bankers who incidentally oil the wheels of your beloved stock market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wireless Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Have I missed something or hasn't the gap between the rich and the poor continued to rise regardless of the strength of the stock market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Yes it has, The people with the power have been giving themselves pay rises at the expense of everybody else. Apparently they work harder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Under Mr Brown, the London stock market?s decline in real return is more than 20 per cent. Are you blaming Mr Brown or the Bankers who incidentally oil the wheels of your beloved stock market "Prudence" Brown without a doubt. He was the man in charge of the money levers for 10 long years plus, and was always ready to receive the plaudits when things were, apparently, going well. Now the wheels have fallen off it's all someone else's fault. As for it being "my" beloved stock market, well it's the system that countries of every political persuasion from far right to far left seem to prefer. It's just strange people like you that don't want it, or perhaps it's just that the rest of the world is out of step with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Just goes to prove that capitalism is as shaky as communism was, Should any country rely on it future on what amounts to gambling on stocks and shares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 All it proves is that life is a bit of a lottery, and we all have to take our chances sometimes. If that doesn't suit then you can always emigrate to a planet that is perfect, if you can find someone to buy shares in your interplanetary travel scheme to fund it for you...................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Society based on a lottery How daft is that Asperity, if Communism had had the same money injected into it when it was failing would it have failed. Communism was allowed to fail, While we keep a system as Asperity says based on a lottery. Trouble is Asperity Lotteries always have more looser's than winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 There you go again LtKije, putting words into my mouth I didn't say society was based on a lottery or anything like it. I said that life is a bit of a lottery. We aren't clones (but there's plenty of clowns ) so of course there are winners and losers. The aim of society should be to take care of the losers, but a lot of the losers aren't willing to help themselves, but rather sit and whinge about how unfair life is and how something should be done to make everything better. Recognise anyone you know? Communism failed, not through lack of money but through the fact that it could never succeed due to the fact that we are human beings who don't all have a common purpose like ants or bees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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