observer Posted January 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Last I heard the UN, stands for United NATIONS; not sure the EUSSR is yet a "nation", although they're trying their best to make it so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Individual European nations are doing their bit individually, all the EU as a pretend state can do is talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 "We have to reflect about a better instrument for reaction," says Herman Van Rompuy. The EU should consider a "humanitarian rapid reaction force", he said. In fact, the EU set up a "Rapid Reaction Mechanism" in 2001, under Council Regulation (EC) No 381/2001 ? with the intention of dealing with precisely the eventualities that Rompuy is setting out, and which so lamentably failed in the 2004 Tsunami and again in Haiti. In fact, the initiative goes way back to the European Council meeting in Helsinki on 10 and 11 December 1999, when the member state leaders gathered to discuss the European Union's "non-military crisis-management capability." More than ten years on and we are no further forward than we were then ? countless reports and study groups have been commissioned, there have been countless meetings, working groups and conferences, with millions of euros having been spent. Yet, when the chips are down, the EU is nowhere to be seen. All mouth and no trousers as the saying goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 Paper exercises that sound good but achieve nothing. Bliar an Brown have been doing it for years. How many new laws have this lot brought in that cannot be policed. EU is that big, it loses itself in its own anatomy. There are times when small is beautiful, and big is not always best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 The EU are not mandated to act on this, it is up to nation states That is unless you want to give them more powere so they can act So stop moaning about the EU response, or act to give them the power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 As I said in the previous post, and I requote:- In fact, the EU set up a "Rapid Reaction Mechanism" in 2001, under Council Regulation (EC) No 381/2001 ? with the intention of dealing with precisely the eventualities that Rompuy is setting out, and which so lamentably failed in the 2004 Tsunami and again in Haiti. So stop trying to set up a smokescreen to hide the shortcomings of your beloved EUSSR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 They got rid of it in 2007 Try this link http://ec.europa.eu/news/external_relations/100118_en.htm What sort comings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 19, 2010 Report Share Posted January 19, 2010 They got rid of it in 2007 So why do we pay so much in then if there is less of a service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 They got rid of it in 2007 Try this link http://ec.europa.eu/news/external_relations/100118_en.htm What sort comings That propoganda sheet doesn't actually tell you anything other than the EU is engaging in discussions and promising money. All mouth and no trousers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Their is another link on the page, detailing aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Attention will now begin to be focussed on long term reconstruction - so perhaps; a load of earthquake proof hotels, complete with swimming pools and security fences, and the provision of ultra-cheap holidays in the sun? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Their is another link on the page, detailing aid No, it details money "promised" as a result of more meetings. As the EU hasn't delivered on the aid promised after the tsunami I would expect the same outcome here. As I said before individual nation states within Europe are giving practical aid while the EU talks about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 At PMQs today Brown announced that Britain is sending aid to Haiti in a "boat" called RAF Largs Bay. Nice to know he has his finger on the pulse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Asparity Is going by flying boat I think he meant to say RFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 As far as I know there is no "boat" called RAF or RFA Largs Bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Will a Picture help http://www.toysoutofthepram.com/Ships_of_the_RFA/RFA_LARGS_BAY_L3006.jpg Royal Fleet Auxiliary Largs Bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I am fully aware that Largs Bay is part of the RFA fleet, and I'm also fully aware that she isn't a "boat"! I've seen her enough times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Fair point Asp We are not all navy types you no Just out of interest what is the point a boat becomes a ship is it done on size tonnage or both or something completely different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 We've been over this point ad nauseam but simply put, in the Royal Navy a "boat" is a submarine. There are civilian small craft that are termed as "boats" but are have descriptions that give clues to their size such as lifeboats, rescue boats, work boats, fishing boats. In general if a vessel is sea-going and carries cargo or passengers she will be called a name that gives a clue to her size and purpose e.g. ULCC (Ultra Large Crude Carrier) Passenger Vessel, Product Tanker, Container Ship, Cruise Liner. I'm sure LP will come in with her six penn'orth any minute now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 So a large fishing boat can be larger than a small ship, correct me if I am wrong but a Cruise Liner is neather a ship or a boat. Is it the same for Navy's worldwide or is it just a British Navy thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I'm getting bored with this now.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 No wonder - it'scalled Kyje fatigue Skipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LymmParent Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 No, Asp. Told you, I have a mate in the Merchant Navy, so I am exceedingly well educated on the subject. It's only fun to say "boat" when he's not expecting it and watch him fizz. LK's done a fine job on you all by himself here. I'm really not needed. In fact, I'd just be showboating.... or do I mean showshipping.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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