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Interesting article by Peter Hitchens - Mail on Sunday.

 

We had Mr Cameron and Christopher Grayling and Dominic Grieve producing individual cases of misery caused by our feeble criminal justice system or our unhinged welfare state.

 

We had William Hague complaining about the European Union. We had Michael Gove mocking the pathetic examinations which ask children about sausages instead of science.

 

The problem is that these disasters are largely the Tory Party?s fault. It was the Tories, in 1991, who introduced dishonest prison sentences, actually half as long as they looked, and automatic early release.

 

Earlier, in 1984, they passed the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, a liberal

anti-police measure whose codes of practice are the origin of most of the red tape they claim now to be against.

 

And they too are responsible for the creation of the GCSE exam, the one which asks questions about sausages.

 

Also for the destruction of most of the grammar schools, which provided the sort of state education Mr Gove?s do-it-yourself ?free schools? will fail to offer, if any of them actually get opened.

 

In 18 years of government, they didn?t have the guts to end the subsidies which continue to create fatherless families each year by the thousand, the real, central threat to marriage, the family, social stability, morality and order.

 

They took us into the EU in the first place, then into the Single European Act, then into Maastricht. Now, their contortions over the EU constitution are a device to hide the fact that, much as they like to bang on about Europe in Opposition, they will be its

keen enforcers in government.

 

None of this has actually changed. They won?t apologise for or renounce any of these errors. It is the same party. They are the same people

 

With Labour also being a disaster who will you vote for in the upcoming election and why?

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Agreed: 1) Exit the EU. 2) Clampdown on immigration, and deport all illegals. 3) Scrap the HR laws and all the PC rubbish that goes with it. 4) Reduce the number of MPs by 50% and put them on a salary only (no more expenses). 5) Troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq. 6) Cap bankers salaries and bonuses. 7) Low tolerance policing and meaningfull prison sentencing. - gets my vote. :wink:

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Agreed: 1) Exit the EU. 2) Clampdown on immigration, and deport all illegals. 3) Scrap the HR laws and all the PC rubbish that goes with it. 4) Reduce the number of MPs by 50% and put them on a salary only (no more expenses). 5) Troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq. 6) Cap bankers salaries and bonuses. 7) Low tolerance policing and meaningfull prison sentencing. - gets my vote. :wink:

 

Has the revolution started?? No-one has said. :?

Sounds good to me.

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Agreed: 1) Exit the EU. 2) Clampdown on immigration, and deport all illegals. 3) Scrap the HR laws and all the PC rubbish that goes with it. 4) Reduce the number of MPs by 50% and put them on a salary only (no more expenses). 5) Troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq. 6) Cap bankers salaries and bonuses. 7) Low tolerance policing and meaningfull prison sentencing. - gets my vote. :wink:

 

Guess you won't be voting then Observer. :wink::)

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Seems fairly obvious from the posts on here that Labour don't stand a chance of winning the next election, but what is confusing is that many will vote tory believing that everything is bound to improve or at least change, and yet it is clear from trojan's posted quote that many problems have occured because of previous tory policies.

 

Is voting tory, simply because the present government have messed things up, a good enough reason to put them back into power. Isn't that the same reason people voted Labour?

 

Would not voting be a better option, if only to prove that there is no difference in the major parties, or would voting for a more extremist party be more productive. Confused.com

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Trouble is not voting lets the extreme parties in :!:

 

What lets the extreme parties in Sgt is the "mainstream" parties ignoring the issues that probably the vast majority of people in the country worry about such as uncontrolled immigration, the EU taking over every aspect of our lives and us having no say in the matter because ALL of the mainstream parties are in favour of EU membership. I would wager that more people are worried about the EU issue than are worried about a few bankers getting ?1 million pound bonuses or how much pension Fred Goodwin gets. Legislating on bankers pay doesn't stop the rolling tide of the EUSSR (as asp calls it)

 

That is why Griffin and UKIP get votes because the mainstream are ignoring what the people want and carrying on with their own (very similar in a lot of ways) agendas and tonight will be the biggest wake up call for them thus far. Rightly or wrongly, Griffin is an elected representitive of the people of this country, he is not a member of an illegal organisation and he has a right under our democratic system to have his say like any other elected person. If you deny him that right, you undermine our democracy. You can't stop democracy just because you don't like what someone says about a certain subject.

 

The only way to defeat people like Griffin if that is your aim in life is to beat him in discussion and counter his arguements. If they don't do that on QT tonight, they risk even more votes swinging the way of the BNP

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Watching the news tonight one of the protesters was asked -'What are you doing here'?

His reply was

We are excercising our democratic right to protest against the decision to allow the BNP on Question Time

 

Well excuse me for being naive but isn't that what the BNP are doing? :?

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Exactly Wolfie.... but people are trying to counter the BNP by just dismissing them as a protest vote or something that will just disappear and that isn't going to happen. When Thatcher left power, the vote for the facist parties was less than 0.1% share. In recent years, the vote share has risen significantly because people on the streets don't just see voting for or agreeing with the BNP as a racist vote, they see it as a vote or a thumbs up for the only party who will listen to what they want to hear. A lot of people do not want us to give up our sovereignty to Europe because they are scared of the prospect. The BNP are the only lot who are talking about the subject. The same is true with immigration and with the never ending granting of rights to groups of people who the vast majority find distasteful

 

It is sad that it has taken a rise in the BNP to get the likes of the uncontrolled immigration and asylum seeker discussion back into the main agenda because the last time the Tories brought it up, it scuppered an election for them.....

 

Maybe now it can be discussed and maybe the BNP vote will diminish if one of the mainstream parties actually takes up the mantle to bring it properly to the table along with Europe.

 

I doubt it will happen though!

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The only way to beat Griffin is to expose him for what he is :!::!::!:

 

But what is he? Just calling him a racist isn't enough Sgt. In a lot of peoples eyes he stands for more than that and if he carries on about enough things that the people are worried about he will gain more votes because of it.

 

He isn't an idiot, he knows what he is doing and how to bring to the table exactly what a lot of voters are thinking

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No, the second best way to beat Griffin is to put him on Question Time and let him show himself up for what he is. He'll get minced tonight by people with ten times his debating ability. If he had any sense, he'd not go.

 

The best way is of course for every single non-white person in the UK to join the BNP now they are forced to accept non-white members. That would drive out the racists rather neatly....... :D

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