observer Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Seems we're going to be paying up to 60% more for gas and lecky bills by 2016. The tree huggers are calling the tune and we're all paying through the nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 And to think that a few years a go all the tree huggers were saying that nuclear power was the most evil thing on the planet. Now many of them are actively touting it as an emissions free energy source. If they hadn't forced the Sizewell B public inquiry to last 3 1/2 years and cost many millions, effectively stopping dead all plans for further nuclear capacity, we'd already have enough on stream to meet the UK's CO2 commitments in full! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 .... and leave a waste legacy for generations to come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 but is that waste unmanageable? many of our experts have left Warrington for other shores helping sort out their nuclear waste. Maybe they could be enticed back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 ...and if we'd stayed in the nuclear power game on a commercial basis, maybe we'd have got clean nuclear fusion working by now. As Geoff said, the UK's virtual exit from new nuclear capacity building in the 1980's - and the R&D effort which would have accompanied it - has brain drained us to the point where we now have to get the FRENCH to build us our next generation of reactors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Interesting you mention the French, seems in one area, radiation has leaked into the water table - folk are walking round like the "ready brek" advert! Agree with you on "fusion" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tonymailman Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 but is that waste unmanageable? many of our experts have left Warrington for other shores helping sort out their nuclear waste. Maybe they could be enticed back? What experts ????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hope they're not the one's from Windscale; believe parts of that plant have been sealed forever due to leaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 but is that waste unmanageable? many of our experts have left Warrington for other shores helping sort out their nuclear waste. Maybe they could be enticed back? What experts ????????? I'm afraid that's classified information, but they do stand out at night and they don't need a reading lamp when they are in bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 You'll have to bare with him Inky; it's his tablets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 You can always tell when Obs is struggling for a reply as he resorts to his trusty bottle line, trouble is he can't get the top off as it's child proof. Those who work in the Nuclear Industry sign the official secrets act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 having signed the official secrets act, how long does it stay in force? if our experts have gone abroad are they not still covered and as such cannot do any work that contravenes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 having signed the official secrets act, how long does it stay in force? if our experts have gone abroad are they not still covered and as such cannot do any work that contravenes it. I'm not sure but once signed I'd have thought for life. You're probably right in that they can't divulge work that they have done but that surely doesn't stop them using the technical knowledge and experience for another employer. I imagine but don' know that the nuclear industry have agreements in place between countries as to what you can and can't do. My IT contract with the Software Consultants, Fraser Williams, prevented me from joining a client for up to 6 months after I left a company unless I had FW's approval. I imagine that nuclear companies have more extensive and detailed contracts for employees to sign. I know that when I applied for a computing job with BNF the checks were the most extensive I have ever had so no doubt the exit process from the company is equally tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 .. so we've meandered from energy price hikes to employment contracts - surreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 You can always tell when Obs is struggling for a reply as he resorts to his trusty bottle line, trouble is he can't get the top off as it's child proof. I think you meant "Foolproof" Geoff....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 True but although some people do call me surreal I haven't yet tried tree hugging but I am a member of the Warrington Nature Conservation Forum so that's pretty close. I must propose that we all finish our next meeting with a good old-fashioned tree hug. Anyway if we are to resolve the energy crisis then we do have to change our approach to making energy, however we must look out for the vulnerable members in society. Ever since I was at school we've been told that our natural resources are scarce so it makes sense to me to focus on renewable ones. Such development may well have additional associated costs, it can't be done for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 If we are to resolve our energy crisis we need to stop throwing our money away on windmills and start building some real power stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Coal or Nuclear stations asperity Which ever way you look at it it's not good, Build Nuclear rely on the French Build Coal rely on imported coal We should not have shut the coal mines and we should not have privatized British Energy in 1995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 The time has come to stop crying over spilt milk and start doing something positive. Saying we shouldn't have done this or that in the past will not help us in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Energy prices are realated to use, not to affordability: thus Geoff, the poorest will suffer (as usual) disproportionally as a result - I already know of elderly folk, who are frightened to put their C/Heating on for fear of the bill - that's no way to live. As for hugging trees. no, they should be out planting them - loads of them - to absorb excess CO2. As for us making cuts in immissions - a drop in the ocean, when matched against the US and China. Yes. we seem to be experiencing extreme weather fluctuations - so, get prepared for them and adapt to the change in climate - cos frankly, it's already too late for us to avoid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Here we go again CO2 is not a pollutant climate changing devil, it's plant food. Without it we wouldn't be here. What extreme weather fluctuations are we talking about here? Oh yes, weather. That's what weather does, it fluctuates. We have warm dry years, cold dry years, warm wet years, cold wet years. Windy times, quiet times. The problem is that our "leaders" are bent on spending money we haven't got trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist (AGW) rather than a problem that will exist very soon (energy generating deficiency) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Calm down Asp; I'm with you on this one - I merely cite the green perspective as the worst case scenario, and IF we are getting more droughts and floods than we used to (which is not a proven fact), we should prepare and adapt to such weather variations - like building on higher elevations etc; cos IF there is a grain of truth in the climate lobby, it's too late anyway - bit like telling a bloke with terminal lung cancer to stop smoking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Some interesting and wacky experiments out in Colorado, if only we had as much solar power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'm sure you must mean something by that Geoff, but I'm darned if I know what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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