observer Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 A world climate change Conference in Copenhagen in December, is seen as test of whether the world can agree on a common strategy - but with self interest and economic progress at the top of most folk's agenda, will they get any agreement? The two economic giants (USA and China) are now responsible for 50% of global pollution (USA produce 20 tons per capita, China 5 tons per capita) - the yanks clearly don't want to give up their current life styles, niether do they want to lose blue collar jobs; and the emerging Chinese middle class arn't likely to do without cars, washing machines etc - so I guess it's a non-starter?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 so you have answered your own question no need for me to say not a cat's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Get your facts right Obs Fossil Fuel Carbon Dioxide Emissions Per Person for Top Ten Countries and World, 2006 Country Emissions Per Person Tons of Carbon Qatar 22.4 United Arab Emirates 13.3 Kuwait 10.4 Singapore 9.2 USA 5.5 Canada 5.4 Norway 5.3 Australia 4.5 Kazakhstan 4.1 Saudi Arabia 3.9 World Average 1.3 Source: G. Marland, T. A. Boden, and R. J. Andres, "Global, Regional, and National CO2 Emissions," Trends: A Compendium of Data on Global Change (Oak Ridge, TN: Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center, 2007); BP, Statistical Review of World Energy (London: 2007); populations from United Nations Population Division, World Population Prospects: The 2006 Revision, electronic database at esa.un.org/unpp, updated 2007. For more information from Earth Policy Institute, see www.earthpolicy.org. China isn't even in the top 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Don't tell me, tell the BBC. "Frankly my dear, I couldn't give a damn", for two reasons: 1) Enviromental change is a normal planetary cycle and 2) I won't be around to see it anyway! My point was more to do with the ability or otherwise of world nations to actually agree with each other on anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Rank Country Tonnes of CO2 1. USA 1,650,020,000 2. China 1,366,554,000 3. Russia 415,951,000 4. India 366,301,000 5. Japan 343,117,000 6. Germany 220,596,000 7. Canada 174,401,000 8. UK 160,179,000 9. South Korea 127,007,000 10. Italy 122,726,000 Top 10 Total 4,946,852,000 Global Total 7,497,252,000 If you don't do it per person you get this result, it all depends on how you want to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 In Obs' post he stated figures per capita not per country. Yet again LtKije you fail to read what is under your nose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I did read it, I was just showing another way to do it, stop jumping to conclusions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 The point of "per capita" is to show who's doing the polluting, and demonstrate why no one will be serious about reducing it; cos we have the lifestyle (or did have), and the Chinese want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Or as a Percentage of total emissions 1 China 21.5 % 2 United States 20.2 % - European Union 13.8 % 3 Russia 5.5 % 4 India 5.3 % 5 Japan 4.6 % 6 Germany 2.8 % 7 United Kingdom 2.0 % 8 Canada 1.9 % 9 South Korea 1.7 % 10 Italy 1.7 % Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Think that confirms my original post?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I can see how the oil producing small countries get to be at the top of the per capita list, and I can see how the largest populations get to top the overall emissions list, but what the jolly heck are the population of a little place like Singapore actually doing to make that much each? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Living a wonderful life. Great place Singapore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 My lasting memory of Singapore, was stepping off the plane and feeling the damp heat and smelling the fragrant blend of garlic and curry mixed with effluence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh blimey, I really should NOT have asked you lot. First Asperity implies it's all the heavy breathing from the excessive winking going on, and then Observer wades in with curry farts and effluent. One track minds - and dirt tracks at that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Oh blimey, I really should NOT have asked you lot. First Asperity implies it's all the heavy breathing from the excessive winking going on, and then Observer wades in with curry farts and effluent. One track minds - and dirt tracks at that..... Did I really imply that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 The evidence is there at the end of your post for all to see Asp - you had three winks yourself just thinking about it..... .... otherwise, that'd make ME the one with the mucky mind, and we all know that's just not true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Guilty as charged. Too much winking makes you forgetful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 See, Asp, I like a bloke who stands up and is straight about it........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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