Aview Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Aview what are you suggesting? The Council direction seems to be privatisation route of all departments, the only people left at the Council will be the Chief Exec and Councillors. Nice light fitting!...Ikea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Aview, not IKEA but B&Q. Is this the direction of the council? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The "off loading" of direct Council involvement in community services; begs the question: Do we need 50 odd Councillors to argue over tenders - a Town Manager would do?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 The "off loading" of direct Council involvement in community services; begs the question: Do we need 50 odd Councillors to argue over tenders - a Town Manager would do?! bet you wouldn't get them to vote for that one Obs.... would you have???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Or maybe Warrington's version of the the Town Sherrif? or I believe that this man has loads of expereince and is looking at the vacancies section, he's getting help from the Observer. But have either of them got the expertise if the borough council's planning department was part privatised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 The "off loading" of direct Council involvement in community services; begs the question: Do we need 50 odd Councillors to argue over tenders - a Town Manager would do?! I'm all for Wards having just a single Councillor 57 to 22 at a stroke Alas, as I understand it, it's a decision for the Electoral Commission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 As your probably aware Paul; it's done on a per capita basis - so you would need enlarged wards - much better, to improve the responsive systems of the organisation to public complaints, thus making Councillors redundant! If this were done throughout the Country, including halving the number of MPs, reducing the Lords to 100; we could reduce the vast numbers of the political class in this Country (far higher per capita than most other Countries) and make some financial savings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 "Expertise!", in WBC's planning department? Someone is having a laugh! Very good Inky Pete! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 As your probably aware Paul; it's done on a per capita basis - so you would need enlarged wards - much better, to improve the responsive systems of the organisation to public complaints, thus making Councillors redundant! If this were done throughout the Country, including halving the number of MPs, reducing the Lords to 100; we could reduce the vast numbers of the political class in this Country (far higher per capita than most other Countries) and make some financial savings. Isn't this what is being done via Regionalisation? One of the problems with enlarging the wards is that 'local' councillors will not be particularly local. Also the interests of all particular areas of the ward may not be fairly balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 So that would argue for the devolution of power down to Community and Parish Councils - assuming folk had any interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Isn't this what is being done via Regionalisation?One of the problems with enlarging the wards is that 'local' councillors will not be particularly local. Also the interests of all particular areas of the ward may not be fairly balanced. Our two aren't local anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Not many are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 So that would argue for the devolution of power down to Community and Parish Councils - assuming folk had any interest. Most parish councils have a party political agenda, as do it seems the new 'community councils'. There is no real community voice and people are in general apathetic, probably because whatever the community feel or want the politicians will do what THEY want anyway. So does it really matter how many councillors there are to ignore public opinion the outcome would always be the same, and most councillors just 'follow the leader' anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 as a start; parish councils should not have ANY party political agenda. There should be no Labour, Tory or the other lot involved and it should be purely a community, independant thing. My local parish council is all about party first and area second because most of the party backed parish councillors have their own political ambitions and agendas to follow to "further" their own ends and that of their parties and I'm sure that is the case in most if not all parish councils I would be suprised to hear to the contrary! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Your right of course Baz; but it drew out the futility, for Sha's benefit, of the current system in actually delivering for ordinary folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Your right of course Baz; but it drew out the futility, for Sha's benefit, of the current system in actually delivering for ordinary folk. Iv'e long since seen the futility of it all Obs, not only in the current system but also in the planned future system, the so called 'community' councils which are supposed to be the 'voice of the people' but are merely political mouthpieces. The problem is that all political parties within the system have the same agenda...their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 The Parish Councillors representing Hatton, Stretton & Walton are all Independents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Your right of course Baz; but it drew out the futility, for Sha's benefit, of the current system in actually delivering for ordinary folk. Iv'e long since seen the futility of it all Obs, not only in the current system but also in the planned future system, the so called 'community' councils which are supposed to be the 'voice of the people' but are merely political mouthpieces. The problem is that all political parties within the system have the same agenda...their own. And your solution is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 as a start; parish councils should not have ANY party political agenda. There should be no Labour, Tory or the other lot involved and it should be purely a community, independant thing. My local parish council is all about party first and area second because most of the party backed parish councillors have their own political ambitions and agendas to follow to "further" their own ends and that of their parties and I'm sure that is the case in most if not all parish councils I would be suprised to hear to the contrary! Always wanting to surprise you Baz, the Parish Councillors for Hatton, Stretton & Walton are all independents with no known political agendas or ambitions.....and they actually do do things for their local communities. In these three parishes we've not had parish council elections for years, and indeed it can be difficult to find people willing to be Parish Councillors if there is a vacancy. What I do urge residents to do, is to go along to their Parish Council meetings and ask questions, they are afterall public meetings. Indeed in the case of Hatton, I pushed for its venue to be moved from a PS's home to a public place.......The Hatton Arms. All other Parish meetings in the Borough do take place in a public building as far as I'm aware. It is true that many Borough Councillors are also Parish Councillors (although I'm not and never have been) and hence the possible political agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Think the fact that they havn't had elections for years says it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aview Posted August 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Aview, not IKEA but B&Q. Is this the direction of the council? The text in the diagram is missing where it should say, make people redundant and higher community/business charges with the help of sending services out to the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aview Posted August 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Aview, you could try this site for a quotehttp://www.regtransfers.co.uk/main/selling.asp?domain=adwords&kw=value%20registration&gclid=COSWts7FsJwCFWIB4wodCWYdlQ I enquired at this site and got a valuation of ?150,000, it is probably worth more if it went into auction? Thanks for the weblink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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