harry hayes Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Almost changing the gist of thread. Observer says that it is a sad fact that the three main parties won,t alter things. This affects many other topics about which 90% of the population agree - which in my view accounts for the votes for the smaller parties. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Kyje; there's a world of difference between "one's opinion" and current reality, hence political expression. In my world they would never be released, life = life; in Baz's world they would be topped - but in this PC liberal age (that you appear to concure with), they will be released in a few years - all at great expense to the public. Harry, you'd think "public opinion" on most things would be reflected at the polls - problem is; it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 but in this PC liberal age (that you appear to concure with I do not appear to be anything Obs, Its you just trying to pigeon hole me, Liberal on somethings not on others , its like you appear to be racist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 There you go again Kyje; flinging the term "racist" around, without any idea of the difference between race, nationality or religions - again a typical PC liberal habit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 There you go again Kyje; flinging the term "racist" around, without any idea of the difference between race, nationality or religions - again a typical PC liberal habit! but you're not denying you are '-ist' I presume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Its because he does have a problem with race Tell you what Obs, you don't fling about unsubstantiated comments about me, and I will stop flinging substantiated comments about you . You seem a bit like Maggie, who did not consider her self to be racist, but was an enthusiastic supporter of South Africa when it still had apartheid It came as a surprise to her as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Again tis you who doesn't understand the difference between your "isms" - IF I'm guilty of an "ism", it would be National"ism"; but as I support eventual "world" Government, even that may not be appropriate. As for Maggie; her support for the S/African Regime was a support for the rich over the poor, which in the case of S/Africa was in stark black and white - and btw, hasn't really altered that much since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Actually Maggie was supporting the regime which wanted a peaceful end to apartheid and a change to majority rule rather than the alternative civil war route. But don't let the truth get in the way of your demonisation of Maggie at all costs chaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primedius Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Wasn't it the devil woman who branded Nelson Mandela ?s African National Congress as ?terrorists?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Kennedy Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Wasn't it the devil woman who branded Nelson Mandela ?s African National Congress as ?terrorists?? "Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation"), abbreviated to MK, was the military wing of the ANC. Partly in response to the Sharpeville Massacre of 1960, individual members of the ANC found it necessary to resort to violence. Though most of ANC's leadership disagreed, many members within the organisation decided that non-violent campaigns were not working. Many members of the ANC were not comfortable with the MK arrangement, but individuals, such as Nelson Mandela, felt guerrilla warfare had to be considered. In cooperation with the South African Communist Party, MK was founded in 1961. During its days in exile, the ANC was often criticised by western governments who shared the South African government's characterization of the group as a terrorist organization. Several high-profile anti-Apartheid activists such as Archbishop Desmond Tutu criticized the ANC for its willingness to resort to violence, arguing that tactics of non-violent resistance, such as civil disobedience were more productive. The ANC's willingness to ally with Communists was also the subject of both foreign and domestic criticism. A Pentagon report of the late 1980s described the ANC as "a major terrorist organization". As is often said, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and V.V. Rather than use an emotive term such as terrorism, I think what can be agreed upon is that the ANC, did at some stage, use violent struggle as part of its campaign to bring about change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Wasn't it the devil woman who branded Nelson Mandela ?s African National Congress as ?terrorists?? She did, but Cameron said she was wrong to say it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Maggie was a supporter of apartheid. She wanted to go to South Africa to show her support but was stopped. Check your history on Maggie she was a supporter of the regime. There is to much evidence about even for her biographists to air brush out. Never forget Maggie was against sanctions for apartheid South Africa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 But does Maggie think it is illegal to be in a hurry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Ask the miners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Are there any left?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Ask the miners That was self-inflicted!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Ok ask Westland helicopters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 You've just gotta be kidding Pierre?! Self inflicted?! More like played for and got. They finished up closing more pits than even Scargill feared, deliberate act of provocation to put the Unions "in their place" - and of course vengence for Ted Heath's humiliating 3 day week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 There?s none so blind as those who cannot see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Thought that was an advert for Specsavers for a mo?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Peter Its time to take those Maggie tinted spectacles off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 ........ and it is time you stopped bringing Maggie into every thread. How can you plan a future when you are obsessed with the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 To plan for the future, you must look at the mistakes of the past Ps As a member of the older generation have you just written yourself off, have you nothing to offer the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Speaking of Margaret and the future, I know she has many detractors, but history will label her as one of our very best prime ministers. For right or wrong, she got things done. Wouldn,t it be nice to have a present leader of any party, who did the same? Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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