asperity Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Climate change? After Hurricane Katrina we were told that hurricanes will become more frequent and intense. What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Ever get the feeling they make it up as they go along? or make it up to serve whichever tax grab they want to do next?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ever get the feeling they make it up as they go along? or make it up to serve whichever tax grab they want to do next?? Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Calm before the storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 A "perfect" storm?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 That graph conveys absolutely no useful information, whilst at the same time giving the impression that things are about the same now as they were in 1933 - without explaining why 1933 was picked in favour of, say, 1932 or 1934. All the graph actually shows is that 2 of the last 4 years have been particularly bad ones for atlantic storms, that 1933 was also a bad year, and that the current year - so far - is shaping up to be a quiet one. No valid conclusions about trends over time can possibly be drawn without at least knowing what is the standard deviation (a statistical measure of the degree of variation seen either side of the average figure) associated with the 1944 - 2005 average for the number of storms. Just goes to show that people who don't understand statistics shouldn't be trusted with them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Fair comment Pete, except that it's the AGW propagandists who do the cherry picking by choosing a particularly bad year and a particularly bad hurricane (Katrina) to promote the idea that humans (thats us by the way) are changing the weather in a catastrophic way. All the graph shows, as you point out, is that so far this year has been a below average one for named storms. It doesn't purport to show that hurricanes will, in future, be less frequent or powerful. Just redressing the balance. After all without extreme highs and lows there is, by definition, no average is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 The's always an average of any set of data, you don't need extreme highs or lows at all. Imagine you recorded the temperature outside at noon every day for a week. One week your results might be 19,20,20,21,19,20,21, which gives you an average noon day temperature of 20 degrees - quite a nice week all week. The next week your results might be 21,24,24,21,22,14,14 which also gives an average of 20 degrees but is a week with much more variability - a very warm spell early on and a significantly cooler period at the end. The standard deviation of the second week will be about 4, much higher than that of about 0.75 for the first week. Averages are a bit meaningless without standard deviations to show how much variation from the average can be expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted August 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 By extremes I mean the highest and lowest numbers in a set, I don't mean anything out of the ordinary. So from this point of view any set of numbers you take an average of has to have a highest (upper extreme) number and a lowest (lower extreme) number. However you find Global Warming alarmists take any temperature above average as being proof of warming, ignoring the fact that for there to be an average there must be temperatures below the average which could just as easily be taken as proof of cooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 You can easily turn that around asparity And say what ever figures are around some people will ignore them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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