asperity Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 The government is determined to press ahead with wind turbines to power the country in future. However it may be that these turbines consume more energy than they produce. Read this: http://tinyurl.com/kqosbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 4, 2009 Report Share Posted July 4, 2009 Don't no about the cost asperity, but I do think they are a waste of money because we would never be able to biuld enough. The issue for me is they do not produce enough power to justify there cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Duh!!! Exactly LtKije. They are too expensive and too unreliable to be our main source of electricity. So why is boy Millipede expecting us (the taxpayers) to pay to build thousands of these monstrosities, and then to pay through the nose in quintupled bills? Is it me or has the whole world taken leave of the collective sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 5, 2009 Report Share Posted July 5, 2009 Eco-politics thrive on p**s and wind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 The latter Asperity. Being seen to be going green seems to carry a lot of kudos these days. Just an excuse for someone to print money. IF the climate is warming? will the amount of wind be drastically reduced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well, "according to the experts", from last week's mini heat wave, we're now due a cooler, changable summer, up till August - so hardly a case of "warming"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 It's like that "most" summers. But will it be windy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Well there's enough "hot air" generated at Westminister! Mind you, they'll all be on hols for the rest of the Summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 G8 said they are going to start tackling global warming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Asp.... the link just gives an error. Maybe just me. Noticed this weekend that even more wind turbines have popped up in the sea at Llandudno since our last visit. They do tend to spoil the sea view a little (why don't they paint them sea/sky colour so they are less noticeable). None of them were actually turning though even though there was a good sea breeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 The original site must have been pulled Dis. It won't work for me now either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Guess it pointed people in the direction of something 'they' possibly didn't want people to know about or think about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifles Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I read there are currently 2,120 odd wind turbines around the Uk. This number makes up LESS than 1% of the national electricity production. On that basis, we would need around 212,000 to maximise " clean power " My question is, When we take off who has the relevant qualifications in island steering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 And at a rate of building 2 per week (which is good going at present) it would only take 2038 years to get them all up, if not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Ok asperity you don't like wind power, want kind of power do you advocate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 G8 said they are going to start tackling global warming Does that mean that they know more than Mother Nature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Did you not know, Barack Obama is mother nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 I love wind power!!!! The problem is that it's unreliable and very expensive. However this country has loads of coal reserves, the world has (contrary to popular "Green" propaganda) oil reserves for hundreds of years yet. And there's always the clean nuclear power option. Don't listen to the doom - mongers, thats what they do - predict doom, it's what floats their boat. Solar power is also a great idea, except at the moment it won't meet our electricity requirements. So we're left with all the options the "Greens" don't want us to have. But actually if we found a way of producing all the electric power we required without using fossil or nuclear fuels I bet the "Greens" would find some objection to it. What's your solution to the impending crisis LtKije? Bury your head in the sand time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Fusion power could solve all our energy problems but it?s still quite a long way off and we just need to be able to fill the gap until it?s up and working. As Asperity says, there should be more than enough coal and oil reserves to see us through provided we don?t have any major world issues that cuts off supplies before then. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 There is only enough oil if you keep the third world down, if you let them consume as much energy as the west then non of your equations work, we will run out quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I think we have more than enough coal and oil reserves to keep us going for a long while but at the moment it?s just cheaper to import the stuff. If push really came down to shove though, coal would become our lifeline and pits that previously were classed as uneconomic would suddenly become viable again. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Bill If you google the question how long till we run out of crude oil, there are thousands of different answers but alot seem to think oil will peek in the next 10 years. Have you got a decent report Yes I do know it is not the most reliable way to do it. googling that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 Well as I see it there can?t be a definitive answer when nobody really knows just how much is left and when expert opinion differs so widely. The only thing that?s certain is that the easy to get to stuffs getting harder to come by and as we have to look further and dig deeper the costs will increase and so its more an economic question. The only reason we moved to oil and gas fired power stations was that the basic fuel was cheaper than our home grown coal. If the demands on oil from developing countries force up the price then it makes sense to start burning coal again even though the greens may throw a bit of a wobbler. As for the windmills, I don?t think they offer much but more worryingly, if left in the hands of get rich quick private companies could actually do more harm than good by completely destabilising the power generation industry. Consider this. If we all had our own wind generators and the wind was guaranteed to blow for 360 days a year, who would we turn to during the 5 days when the wind doesn?t blow? Ok, unrealistic numbers but the issues here are just the same and with our current system tethering on the edge of collapse at times, it wouldn?t take much to tip it over the edge. Food for thought. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 It is estimated that only about a third of the oil in the oil fields so far exploited has been recovered because of the difficulties involved. However with improved tecniques more of this oil will become available to recover. Peak (or peek for the uneducated) oil is a myth that has been bandied about for at least 40 years to my certain knowledge, and yet we are told that there are new reserves being found all the time. All thats needed is the will and resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I understand the largest reserves of oil are the canadian tar sands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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