Lt Kije Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I'm not obsessed with Norman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Norman Bates?! Wouldn't have that Liberal shower in my Motel! Tebbit is anti-EU, like the majority of Brits; and has had the good sense to advise folk to vote for Parties, other than the shower in Westminister, IE: UKIP or BNP. The UKIP guy your refering to, was kicked out of their Party, and Nigel Farage appears to be one of the few politicians with any integrity nowadays. However, whether or not UKIP or the BNP get a taste for the trough isn't the point: this is a one time opportunity to shake the current political elite to their core, and shock them into abandoning their ivory tower policies and start to respond to the demands of ordinary people, rather than spending their time trying to fiddle our money out of the system. Simply "not voting" won't do it; you have to vote these pigs out of the trough, until they realise what their job supposed to be about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 So Obs, we now know where you are coming from; vote for UKIP or the BNP. Get off the fence, which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Actually I would have thought Observer might also have been considering Socialist Labour Party ( Leader Arthur Scargill) or No2EU:Yes to Democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Alas it seems that anybody who has access to the public purse is not beyond trying to pillage it, the following reported in the Daily Mail: "Three police officers were arrested yesterday for allegedly making ?inflated? expenses claims while investigating the July 7 bombings. The Metropolitan Police officers are alleged to have misused corporate credit cards while they were based in Leeds examining the background of the suicide bombers. Three relatives of the officers ? a detective sergeant and two constables ? were also detained by anti-corruption officers, who have scrutinised tens of thousands of pounds of expenses claimed by the trio". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 No fence involved Eag: both UKIP and the BNP are anti-EU; both wish to freeze immigration into the UK, thus ticking the boxes - however, one could prove the bigger shock to the current political complacency, thus forcing radical policy changes on the main Parties - which is the main objective of a protest vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Now that this particular cat is peeping out of the bag, will we see how much local politicians are doing nothing illegal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Apparantly Helen Southworth claimed a total of ?138,699 and Helen Jones ?165,102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 They can either, 1, Claim it's not true.(Listen and make your own mind up) 2, Claim it's in the rules.(Listen and make your own mind up) 3, Claim they're worth it.(Listen and........Lets decide at voting time.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Is there an option 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 16, 2009 Report Share Posted May 16, 2009 Perhaps our "local" Press will start to publish the accounts of both MPs and local Councillors?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Think they will have the information, it is whether they think it is worth publishing. I published mine on this Forum a while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Perhaps our "local" Press will start to publish the accounts of both MPs and local Councillors?! I have the itemized figures for the MP's, housing allowance, staffing etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmina Fothergill Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 I was talking about this with a friend the other day. I think he summed it up. He said it's like tapeworms. They're a parasite that hang around in your gut and take your nutrition so you starve while they grow fat. But thinking about it, tapeworms have to do that because they have no choice about what they are. These politicians have chosen to become parasites. My contempt for politicians should be no surprise. I made no secret about it last time we had an election. Maybe now's a good time for someone decent to stand for election? Before, they would have been kept out by the parasites protecting their own interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What annoys me about all this is that my financial dealings get put under a bloody microscope while by all accounts the politician?s claims get a cursory glance. My last VAT inspection took two days and turned up only two irregularities. One a error where a slightly different Vat rate should have been and the other believe or not was a query as to why during one month we?d bought three 400 jars of Nescafe rather than the normal two! Am I angry with all this? Bet your life I am. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Perhaps our "local" Press will start to publish the accounts of both MPs and local Councillors?! I have the itemized figures for the MP's, housing allowance, staffing etc etc. Maybe you would like to publish them on this Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Let's be realistic folks, this malaise runs throughout our society, let's not forget the recent antics of city bankers etc. So we send "someone decent" down to the halls of power: they are entering a "club" enviroment, where practises have evolved and been established, and despite the shock and disgust that the new boy/girl feels; they have a choice - either they run with it and fit in, in the interests of their career OR they wear a hair shirt and become marginalised or even ostracised. We have an anacronistic political system, with archaic work practises; which require root and branch change imposed by an external "independent" body that relates to the common sense and common decency of the mass of the population. It also requires that such a "modernisation" process includes new constitutional arrangements, and where possible a complete "changing of the guard" in terms of current membership. This sickness isn't confined to the UK however; the EU Parliament has recently voted to keep secret information in respect of Member's allowances and expenses; the abuse of which could make Westminister appear rather saintly - which is perhaps another reason to extricate ourselves from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 What annoys me about all this is that my financial dealings get put under a bloody microscope while by all accounts the politician?s claims get a cursory glance. My last VAT inspection took two days and turned up only two irregularities. One a error where a slightly different Vat rate should have been and the other believe or not was a query as to why during one month we?d bought three 400 jars of Nescafe rather than the normal two! Am I angry with all this? Bet your life I am. Bill Think you will find Bill, that many MPs will now be having their tax returns carefully scrutinised by HMRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Yet another reason why self regulation and fiscal involvement by MPs needs to end; one expects them to be too busy with the country's affairs to be spending time on the calculator! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Perhaps our "local" Press will start to publish the accounts of both MPs and local Councillors?! I have the itemized figures for the MP's, housing allowance, staffing etc etc. Maybe you would like to publish them on this Forum. I could publish every MP's claims but I'm not going to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Maybe you would like to publish them on this Forum. I could publish every MP's claims but I'm not going to Why not, what are you scared of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 17, 2009 Report Share Posted May 17, 2009 Perhaps our "local" Press will start to publish the accounts of both MPs and local Councillors?! I have the itemized figures for the MP's, housing allowance, staffing etc etc. Maybe you would like to publish them on this Forum. I could publish every MP's claims but I'm not going to Just the 2 Warrington MPs will be quite sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Seems the local fourth estate are still preoccupied with preserving the status quo?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 MPs' expenses,2007-2008:- Southworth, Helen .Labour,Warrington South - ?138,699 Jones, Helen, Labour, Warrington North- ?165,102 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8044207.stm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 And if you want to see the breakdown: http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/helen_southworth/warrington_south#expenses http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/helen_jones/warrington_north#expenses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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