Geoffrey Settle Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I know that this post will receive considerable obuse from fellow posters prejudices because it is about a successful City and it's people but I'm going to post it anyway. Here is a link from the Echo illustrating just some of the great things that took place lst year. http://issuu.com/liverpool/docs/ourgreat08?mode=embed&documentId=081211154439-e28fa7681b22480d8e8f96b9b3e64418&layout=grey It just goes to prove to the southerners that the North West can yset again put on an excellent festival as they did for the Commonwealth Games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Whats with the North West? I am not aware of any other town benefitting in any way from the Capital of Culture. What events were held in Warrington, Widnes, Runcorn etc???? Having said that if the benefits to Liverpool consist of a ?25m debt to Liverpools tax payers then it is just as well they didn't share any events. IMO the tram system would have done more for Liverpool than the Capital of Culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Still as gullible as ever Geoff?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I think this is closer to the mark http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRzZCTG9Po Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted January 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Short sighted narrow minded comments as expected. There were problems not helped by the City Council's disorganised approach but they were bailed out by Phil Redmond. David Ward wrote in the Guardian of Phil He is much clearer when he suggests that if you land anywhere in the world and say you are from Liverpool, responses will be 99.99% positive, that the nasty bits of the mythology emanate from London. He's probably right. This may be a gross libel, but most London-based news managers assumed that Liverpool's year as European capital of culture would be a great scouse cock-up. They also predicted disaster for the 2002 Commonwealth Games in Manchester, and they got that wrong, too. It would appear that you can also add people from Warrington to the list of doubters, probably those who also mock Warrington's attempts at culture. Fortunately a number of Warrington orgisations and people didn't take the London view, they did support a great year of Culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 Short sighted narrow minded A pretty accurate description of scousers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KeithR Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Fortunately a number of Warrington orgisations and people didn't take the London view, they did support a great year of Culture Who? for instance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Geoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted January 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Fortunately a number of Warrington orgisations and people didn't take the London view, they did support a great year of Culture Who? for instance United Utilities supported the Capital of Culture not only during 2008 but also for several years before. A great number of projects for charities were also completed as part of the sponsorship, some in and around Warrington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 I know that this post will receive considerable obuse from fellow posters prejudices Surely not Geoffrey, surely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Fortunately a number of Warrington orgisations and people didn't take the London view, they did support a great year of Culture Who? for instance United Utilities supported the Capital of Culture not only during 2008 but also for several years before. A great number of projects for charities were also completed as part of the sponsorship, some in and around Warrington. It's a pity that UU can't look after their customers efficiently in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 The conclusions of a major report into the economic strengths and weaknesses of Britain's big cities has placed Liverpool 64th out of 64 and officially the worst place to live, even though millions has been pumped into the city over the last 2 years. Now I could have told them that without the expense of a major report Although not officially a city, Warrington was included and came a very credible 8th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Warrington has just been named as the best place for business development. Warrington doesn't need any favours from liverpool. I'll make a prediction...The retail development now known as Liverpool 1 will go down as the biggest commercial disaster ever in this country. You heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I'll make a prediction...The retail development now known as Liverpool 1 will go down as the biggest commercial disaster ever in this country.You heard it here first. In January the RBS recorded losses of ?28 billion pounds, The entire development of Liverpool 1 was about ?1 billion. Now regardless what personal slant you wish to put on this development your prediction is idiotic and not based in fact and will go down as one of the biggest exagerations ever heard on here. You heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I must have told him a million times not to exaggerate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robot Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Warrington has just been named as the best place for business development. Warrington doesn't need any favours from liverpool. Umm...Ive just come here from looking on the JobCentre Plus site for jobs in the Warrington area- and there isnt very many- yet the trains seem very full at Rush Hour going from Warrington Central to Manchester AND Liverpool! Can anyone suggest where a potential employee can find one of these business opportunities? I am not aware of any other town benefitting in any way from the Capital of Culture. Why should Liverpool share the benefits? The same reason that Manchester didnt "share" any of the Commonwealth Games events- Warrington didnt take the risk of getting together with either city and put up the resources, and seems to now be trying to steal reflected glory. Would this conversation be taking place if the Capital of Culture had run up Montreal '76- level debts? Nope...Warrington BC would be trying to disassociate itself by every means possible in an effort to protect the brown paper envelopes in the Town Hall!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Talking of the future - I believe that the Capital of Culture has laid down firm foundations for the future. Improved transport links are definitely in place and expanding. . Merseyrail is being praised today as a leading rail service; . The new Ocean terminal is attracting Cruise Liners; . There is a new connection to the canal network, . The Tall Ship Race continues to visit the expanding docklands; . The new Isle of Man terminal; . Revitalised Lime Street Station; . Expanding John Lennon Airport There are probably more examples of successful infrastructure investment that I've yet to see are necessary for economic development. You only have to travel across from Birkenhead to see the changing skyline with the variety of tall buildings. Liverpool is changing and has a long way to go but the confidence is returning and the foundations are in place. Just like the Commonwealth Games and Olympic bid help stimulate the prosperity of Manchester so the Capital of Culture has stimulated Liverpool. A large number of people left both cities for the New Town areas of Warrington to take advantage of the New Houses and pleasant surroundings. It was argued that a lot of the Town's high earners still make their money by commuting to jobs outside the Town. The Town did after all benefit hugely from a massive injection of money and assistance to stimulate its growth as a New Town. The key to Warrington's prosperity is to make sure that these people are not attracted elsewhere and that there is a wider basis for jobs in Warrington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I've yet to see a profit and loss account for one of these ventures, that proves they showed a net gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Why should Liverpool share the benefits? The same reason that Manchester didnt "share" any of the Commonwealth Games events- They 'shared' as you call it events with Salford, Wythenshawe and Bolton with Bolton benefitting from a brand new ?15m Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted January 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Obs here is a starter for the Manchester Commonwealth Games OverviewThe Games were a huge commercial success with more than ?56 million raised from sales of sponsorship, TV rights, tickets, merchandise and accommodation. The actual commercial income generated was ?4 million greater than projected in 2000, when the Games final budget was prepared and this was principally as a result of the unprecedented numbers of ticket sales. The commercial income was more than double that raised by previous Commonwealth Games and more than three times more tickets were sold than any previous Games. Public Sector Funders, including the Government, Sport England and Manchester City Council provided ?73 million towards M2002?s operating costs of approximately ?130 million. Official Sponsors and Partners contributed approximately ?27 million in a mixture of cash and value-inkind (VIK) products and services and in addition provided a significant level of marketing support for the Games. The Sponsors made a huge contribution to the success of the Games, providing a level of support that extended beyond their contractual obligations and included critical services, such as transport, staff, food and beverages for athletes and volunteers, uniforms, technology, legal, media, and healthcare services, offices, office equipment, furniture and stationery. TV income net of the costs of the Host Broadcast services, provided by the BBC, was more than ?12 million, with TV rights-holders transmitting the Games to more than one billion TV viewers across the Commonwealth. More than 1,500 hours of TV coverage were available to rights-holders broadcasting up to 18 hours of Games footage a day during the event. Sales of 900,000 tickets generated approximately ?14 million, which was ?3.4 million greater than had been projected. Record spectator numbers were achieved with an overall sales level of more than 90% of capacity and many of the events sold out, including the morning heats for Athletics. Licensing, merchandise, catering, accommodation and other income generated a further ?4 million. Stringent financial management systems were operated by M2002, enabling a high level of cost control and financial monitoring prior to and during the Games by the M2002 Finance team, an Independent Finance Committee and the Public Sector Funders. Of the original ?25 million Contingency Fund, as at 31 December 2002, ?9.3 million had been committed and ?15.7 million remained uncommitted. The most significant charge to the contingency relates to telecommunications costs of ?7.3 million, following the Administration of Atlantic Telecom. However, more than ?3 million of value was generated from the Atlantic sponsorship deal, which is more than ?1 million greater than the amount received from the majority of Games? Sponsors. Other contingency costs, net of savings, amount to ?6 million, against which ?4 million of additional revenue has been credited. The major items included in the additional costs of ?6 million relate to enhancements to the Athletes? Village, Security, Transport, Fitout and Look...... For more details please the Exceutive summary and go to B7 - Finance.. in the Games Final Legacy Report http://www.gameslegacy.co.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi There are loads more reports. As you will read robot the games brought loads of money, prestige, tourists etc. shared around the NorthWest. It was hosted by Manchester but Towns like Bolton got international courts, people got to see what the Rivington Pike was like during the cycle races and the Veldrome proved to be the foundation for last years Olympic cycling success. What a fantastic legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 So I guess there are no slums or unemployed in Liverpool anymore?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Observer if you bothered to read they are discussing the "commonwealth games " above which were in Manchester where there is still sadly unemployment and slums as in all cities, there is also a very high crime rate per capita in that city too, again nothing to make light of but true all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Excuse me, but I thought "capital of culture" was included! Still, the same applies to Manchester too. Outside the finite area of new build, the rest remains as it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Excuse me, but I thought "capital of culture" was included! surely you of all people must realise that sometimes threads digress from the original subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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