observer Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 - Mandy Mandelson is alleged by the Mirror to have been plotting with the Tories just prior to being invited into Brown's Cabinet - Leopards and spots comes to mind. What is ironic in this appointment, is the fact that it is a totally unaccountable position as far as the electorate is concerned, thus making any suggestion that we have a "democratically" elected Government a nonesense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 - Mandy Mandelson is alleged by the Mirror to have been plotting with the Tories just prior to being invited into Brown's Cabinet - Leopards and spots comes to mind. What is ironic in this appointment, is the fact that it is a totally unaccountable position as far as the electorate is concerned, thus making any suggestion that we have a "democratically" elected Government a nonesense! Looking back in history at some of the 'elected' politicians it may be better to dispense with MP elections altogether and just let the 'party' choose who - (in the best interests of everyone) - they feel should be in the cabinet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 That would be fine IF we adopted the US Constitution, with a directly elected Executive President to choose his/her cabinet; thus seperating power between an Executive, Legislature and Judicery; however, that would mean bringing the UK into the 21st Century! Meanwhile, IF your wealthy enough to donate to a political Party, you can side step the electorate and become a Government Minister, by becoming a Lord! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 When I saw the title of this thread I was expecting questions about a big old style printer!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Well it seems this "printer" has a license to print money: Mandy is said to be getting a ?270,000 golden good-bye from the EU, at preferencial tax rates - see the Brussels gravy train is still flowing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Observer You obviously don't like Labour, but have you forgotten what Tory Mps were up to when they had power Now that was corrupt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Sleaze and corruption are now endemic within ALL the main political Parties, and it's clearly not confined to the UK, as the obscene pay outs from the Brussels gravy train demonstrate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 15, 2008 Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Lt Kije your signature says it all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2008 Perhaps s/he has aspirations to be an MEP?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Your just frightened of democracy, or should I say being a minority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Being a minority? What absolute lefty bloody nonsense. Hundreds of thousands of people from this "Minority" gave their lives so that we could be free from the European dictatorship we now endure. You and your lot of Euro lovers are nothing more than collaborators and should be dealt with accordingly. This country should not be subservant to the likes of France and Germany and we certainly don't need their ridiculous rules and money wasting organisation. We get less each year from Europe in comparison to what we contribute. Europe should end at France; if you like them so much, go and take your half baked ideas and live with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Hundreds of thousands of people from this "Minority" gave their lives so that we could be free from the European dictatorship we now endure. You and your lot of Euro lovers are nothing more than collaborators and should be dealt with accordingly. This country should not be subservant to the likes of France and Germany and we certainly don't need their ridiculous rules and money wasting organisation. I see History is not your strong point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 I see History is not your strong point Would you care to explain where my history fails me then Cpl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The EEC was started to stop more Wars in Europe, and to stop dictatorships, So if you are not afraid of being a minority in a democracy what are you afraid of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The problem is we no longer live in a democracy having been taken into the EUSSR without being allowed a democratic choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 WOE Kije: what's all this "minority" in a "democracy" buisiness? FACT: When ordinary folk were given the opportunity to vote on further politicisation and "union" in the EU, they got resounding NO votes in France and Holland, and later in Ireland, so don't try peddling that rubbish - fact is; the majority of Europeans are now Euro-sceptics, having tasted dictatorship from outside their own Nation States. The only Euro-philes are those Countries that are being bankrolled by Brussels and those individuals with political aspirations to join the Brussels gravy train. Brussels is even further out of touch with the common man than Westminister, and that's saying something! IF, you believe in "democracy", then perhaps you'd support the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, promised in the NuLab manifestoe, but reneged on when they realised they wouldn't win it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Exactly Asp.... The EU IS a dictatorship and what people don't seem to realise is that it will only get worse once this whole treaty nonsense is signed and ratified. The harmonisation of taxes, VAT, and everything else including the loss of lawmaking powers; everything will pass to a bunch of unelected eurocrats in Brussels. There will be no more democracy as we know it at the moment Compare it to the Vichy government that the Nazis put in power in Southern France in WW2; a government by name but with no real powers Why do you think that Adolf Brown wouldn't give us a vote on the treaty? Dispite it being part of his manifesto? Why do you think they changed a few words and phrases and called it a treaty instead of a constitution? BECAUSE HE KNEW THAT NO ONE HERE WOULD VOTE FOR IT Look at the waste; that big fairy Mandelson has walked out of a job as a commisioner and stands to trouser almost a ?1,000,000.00 of our money as a payoff just so he can walk into a job as browns jackboot boy and trouser even more money out of our taxes!! What do these bloody crooks take us for (apart from everything) and fools like you Lt, have fallen for the doctrine and believe that it is a good thing that we should give up all of our national identity and powers..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 Maybe Kije is after a job in Brussels?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The EU is democratic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The EU is democratic With a statement of complete buffonary like that you need help.....I have a friend who deals with people with mental health issues..... would you like to talk to him? I can arrange it; it may not be too late to save you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The EU is democratic How can a government that ignores the wishes of the people be termed "democratic" ? The comrades who make the decisions in Brussels do what they want, not what the people of Europe want, and they do it in such a haphazard and inefficient manner that we are now headed for an economic disaster unseen before in the history of the known world. EUSSR? More than a bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 With the EU ignoring the results of three referendums todate, perhaps you could explain Kije, how this can be termed "democratic"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 If we are to have a proper referendum, then we should have an even base to start. As most of the British press is owned by Australians and Tory supporters we are only getting one side of the story. How can my side of the debate ever hope to get a fair hearing you could even say at the moment it is un-democratic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Does this same Press, have a monopoly in Ireland, France and Holland too?! On the basis of that arguement, we shouldn't bother with any elections - as "the Press" are bounds to win - thus no democracy at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 I don't know about there press, are you trying to say that the British press are even handed when it comes to Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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