observer Posted August 19, 2008 Report Share Posted August 19, 2008 In the thirties eugenics culminated in the Nazi philosophy of the superiority of the Aryan Race, something that most found abhorent. Most societies believe incest to be taboo - well that's talking about the human species. However, when it comes to our canine pets; inbreeding appears to be acceptable; indeed the pedigree standards set by the Kennel Club insist upon it; at the behest of breeders who no doubt stand to make a lot of money out of it. Ironically, what started as a process of breeding the best for function, has degenerated into breeding freaks for show; freaks because most pedigree breeds now carry genetic abnormalities, which can cause pain and premature death to our pets. Some breeds, even show champions, have been sired by their brothers, fathers and even grand-fathers, passing on those inherent genetic defects - all in the name of a so-called beauty competition called Crufts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Well thats just sick they may only be animals but interbreeding isnt on becasue we all know what then can happen and it causes pain and suffering to animals. but you did say something about money and most will then say well who cares as long as the money is right.. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 .. or they might say "ain't life a bitch"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I heard that woman on R2 yesterday and no one picked up on a funny comment which went something like. "this particular breed (sausage dog I think) has been bred in such away that it can now no longer reproduce" to which I would have replied.. "Well that solves that problem then" personaly I would outlaw pedigree breeding full stop, but I don't realy give a monkeys about animals (pun intended), not that I would see any harm come to one, but it gets my goat (pun intended) that people get in such a state ove animal wellfare and ignore the trouble that children atre in worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I think that's one of the reasons that people keep pets. they are less trouble than children and more enjoyable and less demanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 ... and in the case of a properly trained dog, a good deal more loyal or perhaps that's a result of the training?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne-Marie Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Just as a matter of interest Syringomyelia which is common in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels - as shown on the programme-also occurs in humans but they have not established a genetic link yet (in humans that is - not enough research has been done yet as it is a relatively unknown condition) It affects roughly 1 in 10000 people but many people do not know they have it until they suffer neurological symptoms but they may have had back pain for years and been wrongly diagnosed. It can occur as a result of injury or as a result of the brain being too big for their heads(as in the case of the dogs) It can also occur alongside Spina Bifida or Hydrocephalus. There is no cure but brain surgery can relieve some of the symptoms (remove some of the skull to give more space for the brain thus putting less pressure on the spinal cord and freeing up the flow of spinal fluid - it is the blocking of this that causes the problems) My daughter aged 15 was diagnosed with the same condition in January of this year and was operated on to try to prevent escalating symptoms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 The insurance companies are a good indicator: it costs a lot more to insure a pedigree than a mongrel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne-Marie Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 My daughter would agree she is a pedigree! it costs more to insure her (for holiday purposes) than it does us- she calls us mongrels all the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2008 On a slightly lighter note: Martin Clunes did a prog on the origins of "the dog"; obviously originated from "the wolf"; and he visited a guy in Devon who's raised and is part of, his own wolf pack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateoflymm Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 .........a guy in Devon who's raised and is part of, his own wolf pack! I thought he looked a bit wolf-like; there was something about his muzzle - sorry, face - that suggested large canine teeth and the long hair was very wolfish too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 .... howls of laughter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Saw both progs. The pedigree breeding program was a bit of a shocker and the bloke from the Kennel Club and indeed the other idiotic breeders definately knew what was going. Nothing more than a money making scam with no care whatsoever for the dogs or breeds and that it is not right (in my opinion). As for the 'Ridgeback' woman.. well SHE should be culled like the pups who don't have the tell tale ridge ... which is a apparently a form of Spina Bifida ... the 100 % healthy pups have NO ridge and THEY are the ones which are disgarded and often killed so that the trait does not carry on into other litters. Figure that one out Anyway, before I go off on one and get really grumpy the programme last night with Martin Clunes was really good but missed the first part. Didn't know the chap with the wolves was in Devon Now was he just mad or a wolf in the form of a man..... he was not the alpha or beta 'dog' in the pack but the mediator brave or stupid, make your own mind up, but I certainly would NOT put my head between two wolves to divert their attention when they were getting grumpy with each other at feeding time. Did work though (luckily for him) Anyone know if this program is to be repeated as my family don't believe me that the singing dingo and other dingos shown look exactly the same as our families unknown crossbreed stray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Check your TV Mag; they usually show them again in the early hours for the deaf. The wolf man in Devon, has brought his wolves up from being orphaned pups, so I guess they think he's just one of the pack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Never bought a TV mag in my life Obs... guess that's why I keep missing things Are deaf people nocturnal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted August 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 No, just lower priority: you wouldn't want to watch all your progs with someone waving their arms about in the bottom right hand corner now, would you?! Plus, I think they can get sub-titles on teltex 888?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 being a dog lover and an owner of two pedigree dogs disagree in what your saying....when you have a pedigree dog you tend to have an idea of exactly what nature of dog your looking for......there are lovely mongrel dogs but you arent too sure of what your getting...but i agree certain dogs are bred knowing full well they are going to have breathing problems....my advice to anybody looking for a dog research the breed and get exactly what your looking for in a dog...and take good care of it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Think you'll find that most, if not all, "pedigree" dogs have genetic "defects" due to the vary nature of in-breeding; my favourite, the GSD has defective back legs and is liable to hip displacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Think you'll find that most, if not all, "pedigree" dogs have genetic "defects" due to the vary nature of in-breeding; my favourite, the GSD has defective back legs and is liable to hip displacement. Much prefer mongrels, they:- Look unique. Normally have better health. Cost less to buy. Are readily available. Are cheaper to insure. Are less likely to be stolen. And if bought through the RSPCA all the vaccinations are up to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Perhaps a reverse breeding programme - so we can get back to the original - the wolf?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 If only wolves were readily availabe as family pets eh (tamed of course).... I'd love one, they are fantastic creatures. Guess they wouldn't really be true wolves then though Apparently every dog is a decendant of the Wolf anyway so I suppose in a way I do have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 If only wolves were readily availabe as family pets eh (tamed of course).... I'd love one, they are fantastic creatures. Guess they wouldn't really be true wolves then though Apparently every dog is a decendant of the Wolf anyway so I suppose in a way I do have one you could always try giving Wolfie a stroke Dismayed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 As long as be behaves himself, doesn't bite and likes his tummy being tickled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 As long as be behaves himself, doesn't bite and likes his tummy being tickled If he's anything like his football team he'll roll over and play dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyG Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Seems like PJ Callands is becoming as obsessed about wolfie as wolfie is about scousers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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