Mary Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 The families of up to 20,000 unruly teenagers are being warned they face eviction from their council houses. Ministers are to insist that parents take responsibility for their offspring as they unveil the Government's much-trailed youth crime strategy. Plans to crack down on knife crime had descended into chaos on Monday after Home Secretary Jacqui Smith denied suggesting that offenders could be taken to see their victims in A&E. Despite discussing the idea in a series of interviews, Ms Smith said she had only been proposing that criminals meet doctors to hear about the consequences of their actions. However, the Tories and Lib Dems claimed she had been forced into a U-turn after strong criticism from doctors and victims' groups. Earlier, Gordon Brown had stressed the Government's determination to tackle crime after a series of high-profile knife attacks, acknowledging that people felt under threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 What happens to these evicted families......won't they then be looked after by the local authority. What about those families with unruly teenagers who own their own houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Exactly Parents of younger kids may be forced to take responsibility now to ensure their kids don't go down this route and to discipline them but what about those kids who are already there? Is an unrully 16 year old, for example, likely to listen to their parents anyway if they've already turned to crime, drugs, drink etc? Worth a try though as something desperately needs to be done but perhaps much stiffer penalties on the yobs themselves regardless of age should be imposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Paul's correct of course; Councils have a statutory duty to re-house homless families, albeit tempory. IF the Government could actually stand back, and think about these issues, thay may begin to formulate rational policy options:- in most cases, disfunctional kids are the products of disfunctional families; they existed in the past but tended to be contolled by peer pressures from a much more cohesive community of neighbours and more conservative values in relation to marriage etc. It's clear that such feckless groups require state intervention to correct behaviour and outcomes and break the cycle that's being repeated by succeeding generations. I would suggest that a "supervisory officer" be introduced, to mentor the family, cordinate the support from social agencies, and advise on remedial programmes. This would involve carrot and stick behavioural strategies; to regain normallity and stability. Sanctions could include (as indeed is possible now); the removal of kids from unresponsive parents altogether. It could also include programmes for moving from benefit to work, parenting training, and additional education schemes etc. That's on the preventative side; but in the case of convicted offenders, there is clearly a need for some form of re-programming through a penal system that breaks the individual in order to build them into responsible citizens; again using a carrot and stick approach, just like training Pavlov's dogs. As for the general fiscal enviroment; poverty and deprivation needs to be targeted in specific areas, and not by throwing money at these people, but by subsidising there essential needs eg: healthy food, school uniforms, fuel and rent etc; thus benefits can't be spent on beer and fags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Some very good points there Observer....particularly the last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Seems similar to the drugs problem. Move the people to a decent area and thus the problem doesn't get addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Sure you can pass ideas onto your Leader (Dave), Paul; who I believe is searching for ways to fix "our broken society"?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex padgate girl Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I think that it is stupid to move these families, where will they go. Maybe the government have a spare island to put them on and then they can be all anti-social together. I live on a council estate and we have had our share of scummy familes. The kids need rehabilitation and the parents should have their money reduced until they have finished courses on parenting skills. That would Hit them where it hurts, in their dole money. Some of the kids from these unruley families do not stand a chance of being a normal adult as their role model adults are drinking cheep booze everynight because they do not need to work the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 ... and if they need any cash, they can always appear on the Jerremy Kyle Show, to air their dirty washing in public! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tizz21 Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 great idea but what about the families who own their own homes? Are not on benefits? and are responsible. Just because you have an unruly child doesn't mean you don't care about what happens to them and where they are at night. They may be the exception in that family. What happens then to that family who has tried everything in their power to sort out he problem and gets no where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex padgate girl Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Good point. Send them to boot camp, and still send the parents to child classes and fine them if they don't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 In the case of "no fault" parents; the State could intervene, and place him/her in a boot camp for re-programming - sorted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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