No mandate ?

[Observer II]

Given that Liebour only secured the votes of 20% of the electorate, should indicate that they don't have a mandate for their plans, most of which were not included in their manifesto, so have they been elected through lies and false pretences ?   In a healthy democracy, this should make their election void and require another election.    😠

[Confused52]

11 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Given that Liebour only secured the votes of 20% of the electorate, should indicate that they don't have a mandate for their plans, most of which were not included in their manifesto, so have they been elected through lies and false pretences ?   In a healthy democracy, this should make their election void and require another election.    😠

Rubbish, everyone had the opportunity to vote. The fact that many voted ineffectively is their own fault. What you are suggesting is just as reprehensible as what the referendum deniers did which you were so exercised about in the past.

[Observer II]

Lots of Tories just didn't vote at all, and that's the fault of the Tory Party moving to the left.   But the point I'm making is that Liebour lied to the electorate,  hid their real intentions that are now evident.   50% of those that did vote Liebour now regret doing so, and will not vote Liebour again.   Starmer has blown it for Liebour, who's MPs must realise they are only there for one term and will no doubt be plotting to get rid of Starmer as Leader in the near future.   😠

[Evil Sid]

choosing not to vote is always an option in any ballot just as choosing what you vote for or against.

if they did not vote then they cannot complain at the out come.

you seem surprised that the labour politicians 'lied' prior to the election.

for any politician it is basically the job description, they probably teach classes in it at the public schools that they all seem to have gone to....🙄

[Observer II]

I think in business there are laws applied to the description and sale of produce, imo this should be applied to political parties, based on their manifestos.   Prior to the election Liebour didn't mention smoking bans or cutting winter fuel allowance,  but once elected invented the excuse of a financial "black hole" which could easily be filled by reduced costs of migrants.   I think Starmer has a personality disorder, which is driving current decision making and it's only taken two months to reveal.   😠

[Evil Sid]

wonder how much money they could save if the shut the house of lords and stopped paying attendance allowance.

they don't need to be there as working from home during the pandemic proved.

cost of staff, heating. electric and such would go a long way to providing the funding for the required technology for the current members, plus it would be a greener option as there would be no need to commute back and to thus improving the carbon emissions targets.

just a thought like....🤔

[Observer II]

I'm sure there are a host of current spending commitments that could be axed, without adversely affecting the home population;   starting with a draconian reduction in spending on asylum seekers.   Tented camps rather than hotels, while processing their deportation.  The Germans have just announced such a Spartan regime for their migrants,  who, given Starmer's commitment to taking in more migrants, will no doubt move from Germany to the UK.   They could stop spending on Ukraine and aid to Countries like India and China, for example.   The reality is however, that the impoverishment of the WWC is a part of their policy of control.    😠

[ninearches]

Labour are only in power because the Tories threw away a massive parliamentary majority because it refused to do what the voters wanted with what mattered , mainly getting rid of Boris & a reluctance to complete Brexit & failing to tackle immigration. With the way the Tories capitulated in May they deserved to be kicked out but there was no real alternatives apart from Labour & Liberal & there were too many people who were reluctant to vote for Reform. Did Conservative really become so bad & incompetent overnight or were too many of them part of a plot to re-join  the EU?

[Observer II]

The majority of Tory MPs are "One Nation" wets, which puts them in the neo-liberal centre with LibDems,  and close to the Liebour right, thus forming the uni-party.   Until a majority realise, that to get what you want, you have vote for what you want, which at the moment means voting for Reform.  

[Lt Kije]

On 9/2/2024 at 11:00 PM, Observer II said:

The majority of Tory MPs are "One Nation" wets, which puts them in the neo-liberal centre with LibDems,  and close to the Liebour right, thus forming the uni-party.   Until a majority realise, that to get what you want, you have vote for what you want, which at the moment means voting for Reform.  

But the MAJORITY of UK citizens and TORY voters are not hard-line right wingers Obs, the Tory party lost votes from the left of the party and the right of the party, if they move to the right they will lose many one nation voters, of which there are many, the right of the party are vocal but small

[Observer II]

The Tory Party were given their chance in 2019 and totally blew it.    They failed to deliver Brexit, failed to stem immigration and jumped on the net-zero band wagon,   all of which Liebour will continue in spades.   Now Starmer has blown it with the electorate,  Reform is the only Party for Patriots.