How to safeguard your protest -

[Observer II]

You wouldn't know it going by the nil reporting by the MSM, but today there was a protest by Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jews and Athiests, outside Parliament; complaining about the alleged activities of certain demographic in Bangladesh.   Aside from zero reporting by the MSM, and very low level policing, why were the Gov not criticising this demo as "FAR Right " ?   Quite simple - because the demo was multi ethnic and multi coloured. So a lesson there for future protests and criticism of one particular demographic. soon to be made illegal. 😉   Moving on, seems we're now awaiting a missile strike by Iran on Israel, in retaliation for the asasination of an Hammas Leader or a pre-emptive  strike by Israel on Iran, either way, it could quickly result in a nuclear exchange, that could suck in Russia and the USA.  So what's the UK's position going to be ?   Will Starmer stay true to his family and support the Jews or will he favour Islam, in order to maintain their liebour vote ?      😉

[Bill]

Zero reporting on the mainstream media’s normally either because there’s more important events happening, or it’s seen as of little interest to the general public. But the even bigger question is how the heck do you know it’s not been shown if as you say you never watch it? 😄

I’ve almost given up watching the news lately. There’s only so much of the same thing being repeated over and over that I can take, be that in Ukraine Israel or here in the UK. I tend to catch the headlines then go and read a good book and leave the wife to get wound up and shout at the telly.

 

Bill 😊

[Confused52]

Obs, I suspect you read this in Yahoo news as usual. It was a story they took from the Telegraph, which probably thinks of itself as part of the MSM. More information is in the Standard, and both make clear that the organisers are the organisation Stand up to Racism. The march started outside the Reform party HQ. Stand up to Racism is a cover for the Socialist Workers Party and is also related to Care for Calais the charity that supports asylum seekers in Calais. By now you will have realised that the demo is not being criticised as far right because it is. in fact, far left. It is financed by the Trade Union movement like most of the other destabilisation of the last government. 

BTW your claim about a type of protest being made illegal is a total falsehood, search for recent remarks by Eric Pickles to get a balanced view. 

[Observer II]

The demo outside the Reform HQ was a seperate one.   The demo I'm quoting was filmed by Maher Tousi  today,  and was mainly Hindu, objecting to alleged Muslim actions in Bangladesh.  btw Interesting that the Gov and Media don't use the term "FAR Left" !     😉

[Bill]

Well on my 10-minute scan across the mainstream TV news channels this morning they all briefly featured these protests, so not exactly the nil reporting that you accuse them of. No real violence but a few on either side who were getting angry and pushing their luck. Can’t remember hearing about any actual arrests but the police were physically moving some of the more excitable away. At no point did I hear the words far left or far right mentioned, not that they needed any sort of labelling.

Last night I was at my neighbours annual charity fundraising garden party along with over a hundred other neighbours directly behind the asylum hosting Paddington House. When one of the nights entertainers decided to crack a joke about his music upsetting the asylum seekers, he was met by the biggest and most embarrassing stony silence. “Moving on” he eventually said.

I doubt any there would have a good thing to say about immigration or were happy to have these people housed right on our doorstep and yet no talk of far left or far right from anyone. These were a good cross section of what I would class as normal people and normal people who would just want to see the problem solved peacefully without the extreme actions and violence that we see at these protests.

What I’m saying I suppose is that when you say that these protesters are just normal people, they’re not, they’re just a minute fraction of the population who believe the only option for change is to protest.  

 

Bill 😊

[ninearches]

The government are obviously concerned enough to stamp on recent protests quickly & aggressively.

[Bill]

It’s like we’re both seeing things through different specks.

The way I see it is the government isn’t obviously aggressively stamping on protests, they’ve simply told the police to get tougher to stop the violence and criminal damage. I’ve not seen any peaceful protesters being arrested at all, just those who go too far causing violence or who are deliberately inflaming the situation.

If it was up to me, I’d go further and tell the police to physically remove anyone who’s deliberately attempting to hide their identity and that would take out the vast majority of the troublemakers.

In a civilized society, riots and criminal damage should play no part of a protest.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

What fairy land are you living in Bill;  we've now got a Stalinist Gov, with a woke agenda, that's vindictive in terms of percieved groups of indigenous Britons, being played out in a partial "two tier" manner.   Any assembly involving brown faces being lightly policed,  all white one's get the riot treatment.   This warped favouritism is now playing itself out in "operation scatter", where these migrants are being allocated to social housing ahead of those Brits on the local Council waiting lists, thus stoking up resentment even more.  The situation is positively distopian and sinister in the extreme.   It seems passers by can now be arrested for merely observing one of these protests, whether involved or not.  I doubt many folk voted for this, in fact they didn't, but even the 20% that did must now be having second thoughts.    😠

[Confused52]

I fear the justice system has been usurped for political purposes and I feel intimidated by the government's behaviour. I cannot see this ending well.

[Observer II]

I agree Con, what we are witnessing is no better than the old Soviet system or some S/American coup.   The politicisation of the courts, and fusion of the Executive, Legislature and Judicery, is clearly unprecedented in modern times for the UK.  Remembering, Hitler got into a position of power with only 20% of the vote - scary.    😢

[Bill]

“What fairy land are you living in Bill” Clearly not the same fairyland as you Obs. 😊

You know, I used to live next door but one to a guy with much the same thinking as you. He was an active Labour supporter and is wife was a local labour councillor. They lived and breathed politics to the point where they were incapable of talking about anything else and everyone learned to avoided them like Jehovah’s’ witnesses.

Twenty years ago, we moved house but a few years back I met him again at the local Co-Op. I said to him “Hello xxx how are you doing?” His response contained no pleasantries just “Are you still voting Liberal?” He got a wink and a grin from me, and I got on with my shopping. Maybe you know him, he probably lives in the same fairyland as yourself. 😊

I’m not a Liberal voter btw, in fact I’m one of the floating voters with no allegiances to any political party and hopefully that allows me to see both sides of a political argument without bias. I don’t completely agree with all the policies of any of them, they’ve all got good and bad points, so when it comes to choosing, it’s a case of going with the best of a bad lot.

Here’s another little story that should provoke some thought. Like me, my wife has never held any strong political views. She was always happy and content to just read a book or watch all her favourite soaps but would never ever go online. Two years ago though, she was given a mobile phone and was soon watching cats doing silly things on YouTube and Facebook. Today she lives on the thing, but it’s not cats she’s into now, it’s all immigrant related stuff and the more she reads the more the internet feeds her.

Watching the news used to be my thing but these days it’s parked permanently on GB News with her negatively sounding off and getting angry. It’s painful to see how she’s changed, and others have noticed it too. Bit of a don’t mention the war thing. I did and didn’t get away with it hence I spend more time upstairs reading or like here today sitting in the shed.

Anyway, it’s not particularly good to be talking publicly about personal matters but I felt that by sharing my experience it might go some way to explain my understanding of your fairyland.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

I think it was Arch Bishop Bonhoeffer,  who summed up the Nazi takeover in Germany in the 30s, he could have been talking to folk just like you.    😉

[ninearches]

On 8/11/2024 at 1:56 PM, ninearches said:

The government are obviously concerned enough to stamp on recent protests quickly & aggressively.

I call the speed with which arrested protestors are put into court & imprisoned most definitely aggressive. Free speech will be the next casualty of this government.

[Observer II]

Think we're past the "free speech" stage Dave;   the "hurty words" police are already policing the internet, and arresting offenders.   My concern is whether we'll be allowed to vote them out in five years time, and just how they'll get past an election;   most of the grumpies will have died through hypothermia  and the two million or so new migrants will be given a vote and re-located in working class areas.   Meanwhile school kids will be receiving "critical thinking" training to stay on Liebour's message.   Truly Orwellian. 😠

[Bill]

The speed of the arrests is aggressive and needs to be in order to put an immediate end to the violence, and by all accounts it’s working. The usual weak wishy washy “You could be arrested” warning is never going to work. May as well just say “You’ll probably get away with it” so nobody pays any attention.

As for the arrests themselves, understandably the media have sensationalized it, some claiming it an attack on personal freedoms while others see mainly bias. From my middle of the road perspective, I don’t particularly see any of that; take sides though and it’s a different story. One of the presenters on GB News was raving last night, repeatedly claiming you could be arrested for simply stepping outside your home during a protest; what a load of old cobblers!

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

Wonder if those currently stabbing people in the UK, will get such fast tracked treatment ?    It's clearly beyond doubt now, that we have two tier policing and two tier justice, and the authoritarianism of this Gov has been revealed.      😠

[Bill]

I think once the violence and rioting has stopped, things will return to the old ways, that’s if there’s any room left in the jails.

Just a pity government can’t respond so quickly on other matters like they did here.

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

These knifing incidents have been on the increase for years now and IMO  unlikely to reduce, turning it into permanent social violence like France, and favouring one particular demographic over the indigenous, just ensures it.    All this Gov will do is silence any criticism.   😠

[Confused52]

4 hours ago, Bill said:

As for the arrests themselves, understandably the media have sensationalized it, some claiming it an attack on personal freedoms while others see mainly bias. From my middle of the road perspective, I don’t particularly see any of that; take sides though and it’s a different story. One of the presenters on GB News was raving last night, repeatedly claiming you could be arrested for simply stepping outside your home during a protest; what a load of old cobblers!

Bill 😊

See this link. You will be refused bail even if you only watched riots from the sidelines, Belfast judge warns (archive.ph)

 

[Bill]

I don’t deny that the judge said those words, but I suspect in this instance, the paper might be deliberately withholding details of the judge’s rational in order to grab the headlines.

Think about it, does anyone seriously believe that a perfectly innocent person could be arrested for simply being near to a protest, that’s just plain stupid and in any case, they’d have to arrest all the protesters first before starting on innocent bystanders. GB News also repeatedly claimed you could be arrested for just stepping out of your house as a protest goes by; and that’s also just total BS.

However, come out of your home draped in a Union flag during an ethnic protest and any lawyer would naturally claim that no laws have been broken. But in the real world, it's knowingly or unknowingly inciting violence, and the police would have to step in. Naturally they resist arrest, because due to a poor education and mental health issues they still believe they’ve done nothing wrong.

This whole thing to me smacks of the media attempting to create a national scandal out of what’s likely to be just two deadheads, one of which was know to the police and had a criminal record.

 

Bill 😊

[ninearches]

Surely, if we have an on-going practice of governments of all persuasions refusing to curb immigration ,legal or otherwise, that is leading to social unrest among the general UK population, then Parliament itself must be to blame for the current situation. Anybody ,it seems ,is welcome ,law abiding citizens or ruthless criminals . Mother & child attacked in London yesterday , police attacked at Manchester airport last month. 

[Bill]

It’s not just governments that’s to blame Davy, but also our clunky and outdated legal system that limits what the politicians can and can’t do.  Too many legal hoops to jump through, so much so it’s amazing that anything gets through the debate stage.

We’ve just witnessed what can be made to happen when a sense of urgency and a dose of common sense are used to override our system. Cry foul and cheat as much as you want but we need a bit more of this sort of thing if we’re ever going to solve some of our longstanding issues, especially the thorny illegal immigration issue.

 

Bill 😊

[ninearches]

But aren't politicians in place to make & change laws ? There has been a lack of political will to fully implement Brexit & restore Great Britain as a sovereign nation ,free of foreign interference.

[Observer II]

No Bill, what was needed, and what we need, are politicians prepared to stop this invasion dead, by simply turning the boats back and by limiting visas.   But no, the Tories played at it, and now this Stalinist Liebour crowd are encouraging quite the opposite, by, as expected, opening the flood gates.  There is simply no mandate from the people for this insanity, poll after poll has shown over 70% against migration, but we are being ignored.  Over 700 arrived by boats last Sunday.  Not only the UK, which has a better chance by being an Island, but the rest of Europe and the USA, are suffering the same thing, which makes one wonder who's behind it all ?   Some Countries, like Poland, Hungary and Czechia,  simply block entry to illegal migrants, and get fined by the EU, so clearly the EU are complicit.  So it sounds like some kind of warped Globalist conspiracy, that mere citizens are being made to endure to their detriment.   Russia has no need to invade Europe or the USA,   an invasion is taking place, and destroying any sense of National identity, which is probably the intention.      😠

[Confused52]

No Obs, Bill is not wrong about the legal system being a problem. Politicians alone are also not the problem it goes much deeper than that.

Your facile obsession with Immigration, with all the other undertones that get added from time to time, are wrong headed as well as tedious.

By way of example, we have no legal obligation to follow interim injunctions from the EHCR. That was agreed at the European Council itself, and yet our civil servants claim they cannot apply a ministerial direction to ignore one one specious grounds. They attempted to get a ruling that the government was acting unlawfully in trying to get the injunction overruled and it failed and yet in the end the union got their own way. I can only guess that they threatened an all out strike or some such measure. To govern politicians need power as well as position. 

When asked what the most important issue was for them voters in the General Election only 14% overall said Immigration and asylum, that rose to 60% in the case of those who voted Reform. The statistics show that Reform voters are mostly to blame for current policy because they delivered the election to Labour with a ribbon tied on it. Even though those Reform voters really knew that for Labour voters Immigration and asylum didn't even figure in the top 5 concerns. The polls you claim show 70% against migration immigration are either overblown or bogus and really were only important at the election in that they put in power the party that didn't care about the issue. A performance of gross ineptitude if ever there was one.

You could be right about a conspiracy globally but you don't understand Russia. Russia is behind the terror that causes immigrant to want to leave Syria and oppressive countries in Africa via Libya with Russian encouragement. Also remember that Russia has a population deficit and wants to drive Russian Speakers of the right sort in to the Russian Federation to bolster its younger population. Other ethnicities are much less welcome as they dilute the Russian population, consequently they are encouraged to leave and seek homes in the EU via Belarus. Russia does this to stabilize the RFR and destabilize the EU. Additionally we cannot leave out the influx of Ukrainian refugees caused by the ravage of Russia unjustifiable invasion of their country which Putin knew would have a more direct destabilizing effect on Poland in particular. 

What we need is to sort out making British society work more efficiently and get richer. That needs more co-operative behaviour and significantly less industrial strikes for political purposes.