Energy price hikes in the pipeline ?

[Observer II]

According to Martin Lewis, we can expect a 77% hike in gas prices this Winter, as Liebour eco-zealots push for net-zero.   So while we still have our own coal, gas and oil under ground, the zealots want to close it down and rely on wind farms and solar panels.  Perhaps for the elderly, prison will be the warmer option, assuming there's room !   The inmates have well and truly taken over the asylum.     😠

[Lt Kije]

Sadly we let are shut coal mines and let them flood, to reopen them would be very expensive so adding to the 77% price hike, just in case you forgot, I was the Tories that shut them for cheaper imports, please actually do some research instead of posting crap from right wing opinion sites that you take as factual 

[Observer II]

The Tories have proved themselves to useless and are just part of the Lab/Lib/Con uni-party, so forget them.   There was one new mine to be opened in Cumbria, we have oils and gas in the North Sea, which these eco-zealots are closing down, and we're still buying second hand Russian oil from India.   Wake up !    😉

[Lt Kije]

1 minute ago, Observer II said:

The Tories have proved themselves to useless and are just part of the Lab/Lib/Con uni-party, so forget them.   There was one new mine to be opened in Cumbria, we have oils and gas in the North Sea, which these eco-zealots are closing down, and we're still buying second hand Russian oil from India.   Wake up !    😉

Oil and gas in the North sea, has been dying for years, and again you know this, but still post crap

[Observer II]

Dying for years ?   But not expired and evidence of more. It's you coming out with crap now.   😉

[Lt Kije]

Your right has not expired, but harder and MORE expensive to get to, look for yourself, they have only got viaable because the price of energy has gone up

[Observer II]

So energy has "gone up",  due to stupid sanctions on Russia, but you said it, it's more viable.    

[Lt Kije]

3 minutes ago, Observer II said:

So energy has "gone up",  due to stupid sanctions on Russia, but you said it, it's more viable.    

If it is harder to reach it is more expensive to get, as you know, not working out for you this thread is it

[Observer II]

You said it's more viable not me;  and it's certainly more viable than sun and wind.     😉

[Lt Kije]

2 minutes ago, Observer II said:

You said it's more viable not me;  and it's certainly more viable than sun and wind.     😉

But its not, the sun and wind are a lot more viable

[Observer II]

Not in our weather pal.   Seems we need global warming to power solar !     😆

[Lt Kije]

1 minute ago, Observer II said:

Not in our weather pal.   Seems we need global warming to power solar !     😆

Wrong again, we just need more farms, wind and solar, the tories stopped building onshore farms, had you forgot

[Observer II]

More insanity - more farms = less crops = less cheap food. More eco-insanity.     😠

[Lt Kije]

32 minutes ago, Observer II said:

More insanity - more farms = less crops = less cheap food. More eco-insanity.     😠

You don't have to put wind farms or solar farms on farm land most are not now if you look

[Bill]

Solar farms are perfect for livestock like chicken or sheep as they provide shelter and the animals help keep the grass down.

As for windmills, once installed they don’t take up much space at all and now we’ve got used to seeing them they’re not so objectionable. A bit like telephone poles, there’s millions of them but we hardly notice or complain about them.

 

Bill 😊

[Confused52]

Did the Tories also make Blair cripple nuclear? Wind and Solar  without spinning back-up is an eco-con with an off switch that no one controls but could operate at any time in January. Interconnectors are limited in capacity and rely on a cold spell not also  affecting the near European countries, which unfortunately they usually do. The eco dream relies on less consumption of electricity whilst Electric vehicle and heat pumps require a three times growth in generation capacity which can all turn off on a cold January night. Madness.

[Bill]

The way I see it is there’s nothing wrong with wind and solar providing we have sufficient backup from gas and nuclear. I wouldn’t worry about heat pumps, at the rate that they’re being installed it’ll take another century. A growing population and increasing electric car sales seems to be the biggest threat although as I’ve said in the past, the stored charge in car batteries might also be part of the solution.

 

Bill 😊

[Confused52]

6 minutes ago, Bill said:

The way I see it is there’s nothing wrong with wind and solar providing we have sufficient backup from gas and nuclear. I wouldn’t worry about heat pumps, at the rate that they’re being installed it’ll take another century. A growing population and increasing electric car sales seems to be the biggest threat although as I’ve said in the past, the stored charge in car batteries might also be part of the solution.

 

Bill 😊

We agree on wind and solar, but the market is set up to allow them with someone else providing the back-up, but without a guaranteed access to a share of the market to recover costs. That is why nuclear is going to be so expensive - because renewable has to be used first. The market MUST be redesigned, and soon.

The problem with heat pumps is that the public don't want them so take up is indeed slow but the Energy Secretary Millipede is going to insist and put up prices  by reducing supply in order to get his way. It is the Labour way.

[Lt Kije]

36 minutes ago, Confused52 said:

Did the Tories also make Blair cripple nuclear? Wind and Solar  without spinning back-up is an eco-con with an off switch that no one controls but could operate at any time in January. Interconnectors are limited in capacity and rely on a cold spell not also  affecting the near European countries, which unfortunately they usually do. The eco dream relies on less consumption of electricity whilst Electric vehicle and heat pumps require a three times growth in generation capacity which can all turn off on a cold January night. Madness.

I'm not aware that Blair crippled nuclear, but I am aware that Maggie dismantled our capacity to build our own nuclear when she got rid of BNFL and the AEA etc, which I am sure you also know

[Lt Kije]

I too am in favour of nuclear

[Observer II]

And what's it all for in the end ?    We're down 1% already, China and India are still pumping out 30plus %, and still building coal fired power stations, to feed their growing industries which are producing goods to sell to us.  So basically, we're off shoring our pollution to China and India, and sacrificing productive industries, while impoverishing the "far right", as the Gov now call us !   Insanity.     

[Lt Kije]

41 minutes ago, Observer II said:

And what's it all for in the end ?    We're down 1% already, China and India are still pumping out 30plus %, and still building coal fired power stations, to feed their growing industries which are producing goods to sell to us.  So basically, we're off shoring our pollution to China and India, and sacrificing productive industries, while impoverishing the "far right", as the Gov now call us !   Insanity.     

No we are not, if we build more wind solar and nuclear, we don't need expensive coal, coal and gas produced in the UK would be expensive, and add to prices, not bring them down as you think, please do some research, especially on oil and gas in North sea, as whats left is hard to get at, which makes it expensive

[Observer II]

Who are you trying to kid, wind and solar are going to cost a packet to set up, won't be dependable and are not bio-degradable.   Yes to nuclear, better fusion of course; and yes to hydro and tidal. In the meantime, use our own fossil fuels or buy cheap Russian oil.  Sorted.     

[Bill]

Cost a packet?

If I decided to risk my own money by putting a windmill or solar farm on my land and then sell the energy along with other risk takers to the national grid, how much would that cost you? I’d be selling into a competitive market that I have no control over so I wouldn’t be able to demand higher prices than anyone else. What's wrong with that? 

 

Bill 😊

[Observer II]

It's costing a packet to provide the technology Bill, and aside from being eye sores, these windmills are not bio-degradable.   We're being bounced into a course of action by hysteria and panic, just like the pandemic.   If it were possible for our fickle politicians to engage in long-term planning all the alternate options could be available, rather than snatching at wind and solar, in a country that's not had a decent Summer this year.   If people read more about Earth's history, they'd have a more balanced view of the situation.