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Well, Labour have been elected with a record majority - no surprise there.  The only surprise being, that the Tories seem surprised.  They said it themselves, "that a vote for Reform was a vote for Labour", and that proved to be the case.  Labour has a record majority, not because they are wanted, they only increased their vote share on the last election by 2%,  it wasn't a vote FOR Labour, but rather a vote AGAINST the Tories, so the question they need to ask themselves now, is why; and the answer is quite simple -  you failed to deliver on your 2019 promises, which delivered a 70 plus majority at the last election.  Failed to "get Brexit done", but created an abortion of compromise that betrayed those who had voted for Brexit.  Failed to stop the boats, and actually increased the number of legal migrants incoming.   Adopted stupid net zero targets that will impoverish the WWC.   Failed to escape the ECHR interfering with our sovereignty.  Went into an orgy of corruption over Covid.   Now we will suffer the nonesense of a woke Government who will open the gates to migrants and ensure they impact our culture even more, and all due to the wet liberals within the Tory Party, who didn't want Brexit in the first place.  So five years of woke dictatorship, which will alienate the majority of the WWC, and translate into increasing support for Reform at the next election.    😠

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3 hours ago, Evil Sid said:

oh well here's to the next four or five years.

by the way how close was i with my guesstimate of the turnout?..😎

According to Prof. John Curtice on the BBC the turnout at 60% was the second lowest ever (2001 was 59%); the share of the vote given to Labour was 34% so the support for Labour was 20.4% of the electorate.

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6 hours ago, Observer II said:

Well, Labour have been elected with a record majority - no surprise there.  The only surprise being, that the Tories seem surprised.  They said it themselves, "that a vote for Reform was a vote for Labour", and that proved to be the case.  Labour has a record majority, not because they are wanted, they only increased their vote share on the last election by 2%,  it wasn't a vote FOR Labour, but rather a vote AGAINST the Tories, so the question they need to ask themselves now, is why; and the answer is quite simple -  you failed to deliver on your 2019 promises, which delivered a 70 plus majority at the last election.  Failed to "get Brexit done", but created an abortion of compromise that betrayed those who had voted for Brexit.  Failed to stop the boats, and actually increased the number of legal migrants incoming.   Adopted stupid net zero targets that will impoverish the WWC.   Failed to escape the ECHR interfering with our sovereignty.  Went into an orgy of corruption over Covid.   Now we will suffer the nonesense of a woke Government who will open the gates to migrants and ensure they impact our culture even more, and all due to the wet liberals within the Tory Party, who didn't want Brexit in the first place.  So five years of woke dictatorship, which will alienate the majority of the WWC, and translate into increasing support for Reform at the next election.    😠

You do have to question why since voting for Reform and getting Labour has ensured that the things you complain that the Tories failed to do will now have no chance of ever happening. Massive fail!

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1 hour ago, Confused52 said:

You do have to question why since voting for Reform and getting Labour has ensured that the things you complain that the Tories failed to do will now have no chance of ever happening. Massive fail!

Fact. We have two main Parties, both had no intention of listening to the majority of WWC folk.  So the first phase is now complete, getting rid of one cheek of the same ass.  The next phase will be to get rid of the other cheek, and Labour will no doubt give plenty of reasons to get rid of them, starting with an amnesty for all asylum seekers and their priority housing provision, ahead of young WWC folk.  The problem for Liebour now, will be all those idle hands and minds, who fail to get a top job, fermenting discord in the Commons bar, while the hard left push back against Starmer's right wing moderation.   😑

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Won't be long at all Dave;  the Junior Doctors want a 35% rise,  which Liebour can't afford,  likewise the train drivers will expect to win their claim, so the scope for discord is massive.  Be interesting to see what our thickest Foreign Secretary will do on the World stage !    😑

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33 minutes ago, Observer II said:

Won't be long at all Dave;  the Junior Doctors want a 35% rise,  which Liebour can't afford,  likewise the train drivers will expect to win their claim, so the scope for discord is massive.  Be interesting to see what our thickest Foreign Secretary will do on the World stage !    😑

The Junior doctors are a bunch of known Labour activists expect a sudden conversion. The train driver also agreed changes in terms and conditions with Labour in Wales and Merseyrail as well as the SNP in Scotrail. There will be a negotiation where they move from the position of no changes accepted to some changes accepted. These union disputes have been a partial general strike in the public services to provide a backdrop of broken Britain. It worked but Labour were undoubted party to that and everybody knows it. They have only been striking to the point where they can get the lost pay back in overtime; a clear indicator of a political action.

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If, as you say, the Unions were operating in the interests of Liebour, they will now want pay back.   What will be interesting is where Liebour seek and find the money to pay them back, plus house the migrants etc; and the word is, they're looking at the pensioners.   😢

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It's a house of cards Dave, Liebour have relied on the Muslim vote in many areas, but the Muslims expect to dictate the terms, and will turn on Liebour if they backtrack, neither will they support the promotion of LGBT policies.  :unsure:

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Guido Fawkes shows and entry from Starmer's Register of Interests for his leadership campaign in December 2019 of £5000 from lawyer Richard Hermer.(The record is a public entry on the Parliament site).

Well, would you know it Starmer has only gone and made Hermer Attorney General, in place of Emily Thornberry. He had to also get the King to agree to make Hermer a peer in order to take up the appointment. I expect a deafening silence from the MSM on this subject which one might compare with what would have happened if the Rishi Sunak had pulled the same stunt.

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Aside from the personality by-pass, it's clear that Starmer has many character flaws.   He has lied his way to the Leadership of the Liebour Party and flip flopped on policies right up to the election, in which he and his crew remained stum on ideas, in order to win without a fight. As PM he is no more than Bliar's bot and take his orders from the globalists.  His Deputy has dodged a charge of tax evasion, and as the rest of them taste the high life, I'm sure the revelations will mount.    At the bottom of all this, is the fact that they are mainly careerists, seeking the climb the greasy pole, totally devoid of political conviction, so in a sense a continuation of the previous regime, which the people will eventually reject.   I'm waiting to see how they square the circle of tax and spend, and borrow.   How they resolve the immigration issue, which probably will result in an amnesty and acceptance of more migrants, making our streets less safe.  How they will cure prison overcrowding, other than releasing prisoners early.   They will become a woke joke, driving folk into the arms of Reform.     :rolleyes:

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