Defending the Union -

[Observer II]

Well I just watched a politics prog, where the liberals remainers were criticising the DUP for not forming a N/I Assembly, until the Protocol is removed.  It's clear that the they haven't given up on the idea of getting us back into the EU,  and more concessions to Brussels on this would do just that.   The Gov promised "to get Brexit done",  but left us with this umbilical cord to the EU, which imo, was designed ultimately to severe N/I from the UK and create a united Ireland.   Why for example, didn't we have a border between Eire and the EU, rather than Ulster and the UK ?    There are and always were the possibility of a trade war with the EU, but that would be the price of real independence of the UK outside the EU. 😠

[Observer II]

Well it's clear that Boris's "oven ready deal" with the EU has finished up burning in the pan;   he's thrown the DUP under a bus and has no intention of "getting Brexit done" by scrapping the N/I protocol.  Meanwhile all the remainer forces in Parliament are preparing to block any attempt at a "no deal" Brexit, no doubt waiting for a hung parliament to take us back into the EU.    😠

[Confused52]

2 hours ago, Observer II said:

Well it's clear that Boris's "oven ready deal" with the EU has finished up burning in the pan;   he's thrown the DUP under a bus and has no intention of "getting Brexit done" by scrapping the N/I protocol.  Meanwhile all the remainer forces in Parliament are preparing to block any attempt at a "no deal" Brexit, no doubt waiting for a hung parliament to take us back into the EU.    😠

Scrapping the protocol isn't the right answer in my view. The key problem is that the EU is still holding out on food safety. That despite the fact that our food safety is the same as theirs. The EU is just using the protocol as a non tariff barrier to trade within the UK. That is definitely not what the treaty allowed for so we should force that issue to arbitration and only withdraw if we lose since that would represent a breach of good faith in the negotiations and would entitle us to withdraw under the treaty.

[Observer II]

Fine, but it goes a bit deeper than that. It's quite clear that the EU want to assist Eire in creating a single State on the Island of Ireland, and the election of SF as first Minister is the first warning sign.   If Boris throws the Unionists under a bus, they'll have nowhere to go but violence.   😠

[Confused52]

19 hours ago, Observer II said:

Fine, but it goes a bit deeper than that. It's quite clear that the EU want to assist Eire in creating a single State on the Island of Ireland, and the election of SF as first Minister is the first warning sign.   If Boris throws the Unionists under a bus, they'll have nowhere to go but violence.   😠

The Irish Republic charges people EUR 100 for attending A&E, the wages for public servants are higher in NI than Ireland the public spending per head in NI is even greater than Scotland. Living Standards in the Irish Republic are only 80% of those in Northern Ireland. Basically the Irish Republic cannot afford to keep Northern Ireland in manner to which they have become accustomed. When the costs and worsening conditions are made clear it is not certain that a Border Poll would work for Sinn Fein when the Republic consider the loss of wealth they would suffer.

SF are the largest party but they do not actually have a majority so cannot govern just as they like.

[Observer II]

As we know from Scotland, economics doesn't cut through with the fanatics,   younger voters are more likely to fall for the Nationalist propaganda.   Boris needs to sort this out before the Union dissolves.   😠

[Observer II]

Seems Boris never had any intention of "getting Brexit done";  otherwise he would have ensured that every Tory candidate in the 2019 election was a Brexiteer.  Unfortunately for Leave voters, we have 135 "Remainer" MPs in the Tory benches in the Commons and even more in the Lords.   Which just underlines the complete lack of conviction of Boris to get anything "done".    😠

[Observer II]

Aside from Boris's reckless disregard for the future of the Union, we have the more subtle attacks by the London liberal elite, specifically at the BBC. EG: Politics Live on Fridays has full reports from all devolved Governments, the content of which is of no consequence or interest to the rest of the Country, and is merely intended to promote their existence.  They could be covered on Regional TV progs applied to their own electorates, putting them firmly in their own local domestic boxes.    😠

[ninearches]

What i can't understand is the obstacle of certain standards that have emerged from the EU since Brexit ,when we have been running in tandem with EU standards for at least 40 years. In fact ,in many respects, our standards are superior.

[Observer II]

It's all BS  Dave,   the number of staff and checks the EU has applied to the Irish Sea, exceeds all their other border checks.  The intention is (and it's working) is to severe Ulster from Britain and unify Ireland within the EU.  This has been enabled by Boris's cavalier approach to the N/I protocol signing and the EU 5th column in Parliament trying to backtrack on Brexit.   😠

[ninearches]

I'm sure people of influence are queueing up to get us back in Obs. People who would benefit greatly.

[Confused52]

The present furore over legislation is drawing out the remainers well. A suitable law which states - for the purposes of the NI protocol goods marked as "Produced in and for the United Kingdom" are defined as not at risk and shall not be exported to the EU without actions specified in the NI Protocol - is all that is really required. Then put that wording on the packaging of food and it is exactly the same as the protocol and by-passes only the French lack of trust. Since it does not change the protocol it just changes the onus to be on to the Irish to stop smugglers. The remainers could be as annoyed over this as they are over Partygate; they assume everyone else is as thick as they are!

PS the point is that the Irish don't want to stop smugglers, they are generally the former IRA so best left alone.

[Observer II]

I'm sure there are "common sense" solutions such as a "green lane"; which adopt a pragmatic approach; but there's the rub;  the EU (specifically France and Eire)  don't want a practical solution, as the spitefull objective all along has been to undermine Brexit, and in this case break up the UK.   The French have done it with the illegals, whilst whimpering over fishing licences, and we've given way.  Boris needs to grow a pair and for every illegal immigrant boat that arrives in the UK, scrap one French fishing license;  that should get Macron throwing the toys out of his pram.   😠

[Observer II]

Meanwhile. Krankie has a £3.5billion hole in her budget, which she'll expect to be funded by the UK taxpayers.   She's opening the doors to Scotland to any and all migrants, as Englanders start to leave, the hope being, that the migrants will vote SNP and pro-independence.