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Well, I suppose it depends on just who you socialise with Asp. Personally, I’ve only come across one individual that said it was all a waste of time and I found out later he was effectively the pubs resident idiot that most sensible people avoided. Pretty much everyone else seemed to agree it’s a pain in the backside and we need to get back to normality, but we’ve been in this for so long, another couple of weeks of delay isn’t a big ask if it can help the overall situation.

 

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Let me state the obvious - on this subject, you’re an idiot Obs!   I don’t care what you think, that is personal and it’s directed right at you,.  Up til now you have been a joke on this forum, but en

You stay hiding behind your settee being guided by "opinion polls 🙄" Obs. In the real world people will go back to normal life, and not before time. I think it's you that needs to get out 🤣🤣.

Eventually they will get majority global coverage with vaccines,  there maybe a weakening in new variants,  most folk will retain new safety habits - so it will end eventually, but not yet.   If we sa

And what will you and your circle of friends say on 4th July when SAGE announce that it's still a little bit too soon, but another couple of weeks is all it will take? And repeat every 2 weeks forever? Come on, it's only a couple of weeks more isn't it, where's the harm?

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Well given I’ve already said that I think the numbers will probably continue to increase whether we hold back for two weeks or not, I’d probably say I told you so. 😊

Is it the right decision to take? Well neither you or I can possibly say unless we think we know better than those who’s job it is to make that decision. At the end of the day if the restrictions remain then there's not a lot we can do about it unless we want to move into the realm of civil disobedience like that plonker Andrew Lloyd Webber.

Being a promoter of the arts doesn’t qualify him as an expert in disease control nor does it give him the right to be any different than the owner of the local pub who has to comply with the law. If he want’s to go to jail for breaking a law he doesn’t agree with, then I’d be more than happy to turn the key.

 

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So if the numbers are going to go up whatever we do, why keep the restrictions which are doing more harm to people's health and mental well being than Covid? Remember "3 weeks to flatten the curve and save the NHS"? Remember " a few weeks lock down to save Christmas/Easter/Summer holidays"? This nonsense has to stop, and I say this as someone who is hardly affected by the lockdown measures at all.

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Fair enough Bill, but unfortunately the way things are going it's going to be endless.......................................🤣

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18 minutes ago, Davy51 said:

I wonder how many variations & mutations of the common cold there have been since Fred Flintstone first pulled a sicky ?

The common cold has never had a single cause. It is a set of symptoms which are provoked by Rhinoviruses, adenoviruses, parainfluenza viruses, Respiratory Syctial virus and alpha-coronaviruses. (SARS is a Beta-coronavirus). At least 200 different viruses can produce the symptoms that are diagnosed as a common cold. The answer to your precise question is unanswerable because there will be so many more than that over the millennia.

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4 hours ago, asperity said:

So if the numbers are going to go up whatever we do, why keep the restrictions which are doing more harm to people's health and mental well being than Covid? Remember "3 weeks to flatten the curve and save the NHS"? Remember " a few weeks lock down to save Christmas/Easter/Summer holidays"? This nonsense has to stop, and I say this as someone who is hardly affected by the lockdown measures at all.

It isn't nonsense, and I am getting fed up too!

The reason for waiting is to see if the link between cases going up, hospital admissions going up (and seeing what the attack ratio is like) and the relationship between hospital admissions and ICU admissions and finally the relationship between sever illness and death ( related to the infection fatality ratio). All of these could be different from the B.1.1.7 strain and without knowing the values for the B.1.617.2 strain one cannot predict whether allowing increases in R from further relaxation will cause significant deaths, and or overwhelm the NHS. What I hear so often is little more that that people are bored now. This is a response which I find wholly inacceptable as individuals boredom cannot be allowed to be effectively a death sentence for someone else when we know that might happen.

Until we know the new set of parameters for the new strain of the disease unlocking is irresponsible. The data is being collected and analysed but it may be impossible to determine the answer. Until we do get an answer we should not make changes. It may not be possible to unlock further, or we may even have to reverse some things, until we can see a further vaccine. The next vaccines will be available relatively quickly after deciding what they should target.

The fact that cases will go up is not the point, it doesn't change the way forwards, we need to find out what happens when they do go up.

The consequence of following the science is that we have to wait until we can understand the science. It is the right way forward for a responsible government who cannot just say they are bored now; we all have responsibilities.

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That's all very well Con, but we can't keep the country in a state of Limbo just in case a new strain comes along which will have to be monitored carefully until we can see what it's effects are on cases/hospitalisations/deaths over some indeterminate period (at the end of which another variation has come along so recycle and repeat steps A to D). At some point we have to say "enough", we have to learn to live with this illness and treat the symptoms to the best of our ability with vaccines/drugs/whatever works. Boredom doesn't come into it - certainly not for me, I've got plenty to keep me occupied thanks.

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