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Grappenhall, Church Lane Cobbles to be relaid.


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A local parish counsellor has announced that the cobbles on Church Lane, Grappenhall are to be relaid, they are to be removed cleaned, graded and stored with a temporary tarmacadam surface laid while the fore mentioned work is carried out, the temporary surface will then be lifted and the original cobbles relaid, Yeh!! right if anyone believes that they are fools, once those cobbles come up they will never go down again, some mysterious unforeseen problem will manifest itself preventing being relaid, call me a pessimist but if past experience in this town is anything to go by it will not happen. We can kiss the cobbles goodbye folks!.  

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3 hours ago, algy said:

A local parish counsellor has announced that the cobbles on Church Lane, Grappenhall are to be relaid, they are to be removed cleaned, graded and stored with a temporary tarmacadam surface laid while the fore mentioned work is carried out, the temporary surface will then be lifted and the original cobbles relaid, Yeh!! right if anyone believes that they are fools, once those cobbles come up they will never go down again, some mysterious unforeseen problem will manifest itself preventing being relaid, call me a pessimist but if past experience in this town is anything to go by it will not happen. We can kiss the cobbles goodbye folks!.  

And say hello to potholes

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Oooh I'm not really liking the sound of that one bit and as you say Algy I too fear that 'unforseen circumstances' in the not so distant future could mean they never go back.  Maybe it will be lack of funding or costs that prevents the relaying or maybe  they will find when they take them all up after them sitting there for hundreds of years there are 'issues'...
Who knows perhaps after not having to drive or walk over them some people will say it's actually better without them and cause a stink saying they don't want them back.

Saying all that it's a conservation area so permission will have to be sought to remove them and conditions will probably be there saying they have to be put back ie stay.  Unless of course they are replaced with new modern but with the same sort of old style 'look'.

On the plus side maybe they will lay cobbles in all the areas along the cobble stretch which have been botch infilled with blobs of tarmac as those quick fixes look a righ mess and spoil it all.  

Have they give an idea of how long it will take to remove, clean, grade and then relay them?   Why do they have to 'grade' them?  I guess if it's only a month or two things could be ok though....  it's quite a big job though when you look just how many cobbles there are.  (I just google streetwalked it).  

The old original cobbled road is part of Grappenhall Villages charm so I'm sure it will be ok and we are worrying for nothing. :huh:

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Why do they have to 'grade' them?

possibly to check for wear and size so that they don't look too uneven when relaid.

  A cobbled street will last much longer than any tarmac but  it is not very cycle friendly. A great advantage for horses thought as the cobbles provide extra grip for them.

They could be an advantage given the new electric cars coming to the market as any vehicle going over cobble swill make a lot more noise than on a tarmac surface and so make it easier for pedestrians to hear them.

however I now have an image in my head of cobble graders in white coats and bowler hats like the flour graders in the advert. :lol:

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Thanks for the explanation re 'grading' Evils.  That makes sense.

Saying that most have been there for hundreds of years though and are worn and settled in their positions with each other so why don't they just write numbers on them before they take them up and put them back in the same position .  Bet that would be fun to do too like a huge big outdoor jigsaw....maybe the locals could join in... 

I too have strange images in my head now of cobble graders after reading the rest of your reply..... :lol:

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The cowboys who currently lay the tarmac in Warrington can't even get that right, so what hope is there that they will be able to lay cobbles? a job that involves a lot more skill, patience and time (and therefore cost) than driving a machine and pressing a few buttons.... Grappenhall will be lucky to see them again if they are lifetd

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Specialst Aggregates appears to be the company chosen to advise on the Grappenhall cobbles.

http://www.specialistaggregates.com/grappenhalls-million-cobbled-road-n-123.html

They have given their version of the history of the cobbled road.  Algy, do you have any information on the history of this road?   I remember reading a geologists report, I think it was circa 1860's where the cobbles were identified as originating in France and having been washed along the Mersey were  found locally, from where the Mersey tributaries had originally extended into what is now Grappenhall / Appleton area.  If this is true then the contractors version could be just a load of old cobblers. ( their version makes any necessary replacements easier to come by though).

 

   

 

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I wonder what checks will be put in place to ensure that there are no "unforeseen"  incidents or sudden increases in cost due to "factors beyond our control".

I also wonder who's name will be on the documentation as being accountable if anything does go awry and what "penalty clauses" and "get out clauses"will be put in "just in case".

When it comes to maintenance this council has at best a poor record.

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