fugtifino Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 List them here. If this thread is a short one, you have to ask why anyone would ever consider such a thing. Take it away boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 There's no such thing as a "hard brexit". There's so much disinformation flying around such that I don't think anybody knows what will happen when/if we manage to break free from the EU. Nice try though Fugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted February 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 "There's no such thing as a "hard brexit". " Well, that'll be news to our crack team of negotiators, but never mind. What are the benefits from a no deal Brexit then? Or any kind of Brexit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 I've already answered that Fugs. I don't think anybody knows, so I'm not going to make myself a hostage to fortune for your amusement thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Before I start I have to confess that I voted to Remain. However as I believe in democracy and a referendum is the purest form of democracy that the UK constitution (and yes it has one, which is not wholly written) allows I can see the other side of the debate. 1) There is a guarantee that the UK will not lose further sovereignty, that protects out seat on the UN Security Council (which is a significant source of soft power). 2) The EU has changed to using regulation rather than directives which force a one size fits all for new legislation and the European parliament has a larger role in the negotiation of those regulations. The European parliament committees are dominated by extremist minorities to a much greater extent than in the UK. This has been damaging in two sets of recent legislation that I have followed, the Open Internet and the General Data Protection Regulation where costs to businesses have increase for no benefit to UK citizens whatever. This trend is set to continue. 3) There is a political reality that free trade with the USA will be blocked at provincial level in the EU. Given that the USA is such a major trading partner for the UK a free trade deal, which is unattainable inside the EU, will give us a benefit. 4) We are free to continue to adopt EU product standards and by setting no tariffs against the Customs Union the effect on trade is minimal. The key is to maintain the tariffs against third countries in line with the Customs union, that means that there is no point in a customs examination. We can act against dumping unilaterally as long as the electronic documentation exchanged is the source of data. There will as always be little that you can do against smuggling - no change. 5) The UK will cease to be a major contributor to the regional development ambitions of the EU. Instead we will be free to target investment to help British trade rather than the present system which favours German trade disproportionately. 6) We will cease to be affected by supremacy of the European Court of Justice. That means that their particular interpretations of issues which are often at odds with what would be expected from an Anglo-Saxon perspective and case law base grown from the Common Law. We would also be free from case law precedents on new regulation being set by courts of record in other member states which is a very worrying concern for businesses. There is a starter, perhaps others can add more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 16, 2018 Report Share Posted February 16, 2018 Think this was flogged to death on this board in the lead up to the referendum and beyond, the media never leave it alone with their intermittent doom and gloom scare stories; and the majority of MPs are trying to sabotage it.  A decision has been made by the UK electorate to LEAVE the EU, not half leave or quarter leave, but total leave. This means leaving the single market with it's commitment to "free movement"; leaving the ECJ with it's super-national authority over or laws; and leaving the customs union which ties us to EU trading arrangements. I think the majority of folk now simply want to see the Gov, just getting on with it asap; even if that means crashing out with no deal and reverting to WTO rules and of course the non-payment of the £billions being demanded by the EU. As the EU keep saying - you can't have your cake and eat it too !     2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 can't believe nobody mentioned the £1.5 Billion a month going into our NHS lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 you just did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Evil Sid said: you just did. so it must be true, me and a big red bus can't be wrong. Hoorah!  gold bed pans for everyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018    Seems this record has stuck - just one problem with it - we're not out of the EU yet and still paying £350million per week for the privilege.     Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Observer sticking by the most debunked lie of the entire Referendum, which took some doing. PMSL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 not losing our Sovereignty to the EU is a classic, our Sovereigns have been foreign for generations . Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just going over old ground now; arguments been had, votes been had, you lost, get over it.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018 So it's a lie? Â You said that you are prepared to accept the country being poorer for Brexit, is that because you are safe in your pension bubble for your remaining few years? Â I see Norfolk and Suffolk are beginning to realise the impact of the catastrophe brewing for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 17, 2018 Report Share Posted February 17, 2018   tut tut tantrums - Toys out of the pram won't help - just get over it.       Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 14 hours ago, observer said:   tut tut tantrums - Toys out of the pram won't help - just get over it.       how pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Profound - not   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, observer said: Profound - not   mature and reasoned me arse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 Come on, put those toys back in the pram - and your still not getting an ice cream !   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Togger1 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 1 hour ago, observer said: Come on, put those toys back in the pram - and your still not getting an ice cream !    2 hours ago, Togger1 said: mature and reasoned me arse  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazj Posted February 27, 2018 Report Share Posted February 27, 2018 but did you know that after the referendum, the Brexit bus was repainted blue and used to ferry the Pakistan Cricket Team about during their tour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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