Mutte Merkel wins again -

[observer]

- but with a reduced support. Merkel 32%, SPD 20% and shock and horror AfD 13.5%.   perhaps the Herren Volk are beginning to grow a pair ?           

[Confused52]

It is fair to say that her government will make Mrs May's look strong with the Greens and FPD disagreeing over a lot of economic policy. Still the UK punishing Martin Shultz has gone, so it can't be all bad.

[observer]

Believe it could take them up to Xmas to agree a coalition, Shultz doesn't want to be in it (tarred with same brush etc) and none of the rest want the AfD;  so a bit of a mess. Meanwhile the Dutch are in a similar position, and the French President is under siege by the Unions.  And these people think they can dictate to us over Brexit.       

[fugtifino]

Merkel's centre/right, right?

AfD are right/right, right?

You're cheering the rise of a right wing nationalist movement in Germany?

[asperity]

That sounds about right

[observer]

11 hours ago, fugtifino said:

Merkel's centre/right, right?

AfD are right/right, right?

You're cheering the rise of a right wing nationalist movement in Germany?

Not "cheering", just observing events.     What I find quite amusing with the snowflakes, is the way they protest at the way people voted; in this case, a protest by largely young women outside the AfD HQ,  after they secured 5million votes in a democratic election.  Young women, the very demographic that has suffered assaults and worse from gangs of Muslim migrants invited in by Merkel.  Forget Left, Right and Centre; the new political landscape is simply polarised into For or Against.   For or Against immigration, the EU, globalisation etc;  and in a democracy, folk are perfectly entitled to vote for whichever Party reflects their views; there are no "no go areas".   The old order is failing because they simply no longer reflect those views - it's called democracy - get used to it.           

[Davy51]

This is more a backlash at the immigration that has taken place in their own back yard & it's just a pity that Merkel's leadership has previously given the green light for pan European immigration. The gates at every eastern border should have been closed & the EU ,which thinks it has political clout, should have been demanding a political solution to the Syrian crisis instead of wringing its hands at the cheap labour flooding in. Right wing activity on show in Germany is mild compared to some eastern EU countries where violence is widespread.

[observer]

There are an estimated million African migrants in Libya waiting to get to Italy.   Stopped for now, due to the EU bribing the Libyan Authorities to properly prevent traffickers operations, and NGOs from "recuing" migrant boats from near the Libyan coast.  No doubt such bribery by the EU will reach back to the Countries of origin of these migrants, turning the threat of trafficking into a nice little earner for them.  Unfortunately we hear very little of any attempt to deport the millions that have reached Europe as bogus refugees.       

[Davy51]

I say Obs, i have just finished  watching a BBC  2 part  documentary on the  iplayer called The Legacy of Lawrence of Arabia. It was actually made in 2010 but i haven't seen it previously ,although you may have, but it is informative & gives an insight into modern day problems in the middle east.

[observer]

Missed it Dave, but I have read up on Lawrence and of course watched the film.   Part of the problem is that the third world was divided up into "countries" by the old Imperial powers, without reference to internal tribal, ethnic or religious differences, in Africa and the East.     

[Davy51]

Yes.... it is still available & worth a watch. Apparently  an intended agreement  to found a large Arab state was reneged upon by British & French authorities who decided to carve up the territory as colonies. This has led to a lot of Arab distrust in the integrity of the west .

[observer]

Think the film got it about right, when the Arabs held a convention in Damascus at the end of WW1, and argued over which tribe would control which utility, but without the technical expertise to do it. Ended in failiure of course, to the delight of the British and French, who came in to restore civilization and carve up a possible post-Ottoman, pan-Arab Empire into completely artificial States, under their control.   An example would be Iraq, where there are Sunni Arabs in the west, Shias in the east, marsh Arabs in the south and Kurds in the north, eventually held together by a strong central dictator (Saddam Hussein), who we eventually displaced, allowing all the differing tensions to re-emerge.  It's this lack of political maturity and cohesion,  and Western interference that's given rise to the displacement and migrations, that Europe is now reaping.