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Corbyn should be ashamed for using this disaster for political point scoring. No class.

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She went there on an "unofficial visit" to express sympathy and to thank the emergency services, not as the PM but as a person. She did promise a full and open public enquiry into what happened.

Think it is about time that architects and planners started to consult with emergency services regarding tower blocks with a view to limiting their height to one that, should a similar type of fire occur, the fire service can at least reach the upper floors with water jets without the need for drafting in specialist cranes to do so.

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I am surprised that sprinklers are not mandatory on all high rise  flats. Perhaps there is a need for a large freight helicopter carrying water & with directional hoses to be able to tackle any more such fires from above the line of the fire.

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Normally, all multi-storey buildings are fitted with a dry  riser, that enables the Fire Service to get water to the affected floor(s) and also normally, these buildings are designed as compartments, to prevent fire spread from a single unit. So under "normal" circumstances should have been relatively safe for those outside the initially affected zone.  In this case however, fire spread was accelerated throughout the building by external combustible cladding. This cladding was mainly added for cosmetic reasons, however previous examples of it's effects in fire were shown in fires in Australia and Oman. No doubt a lengthy and expensive public enquiry; will produce all the answers and provide "lessons to be learned".  However, residents concerns about fire safety had been raised over four years ago; which begs  questions about the apparent lack of response from the various authorities involved.  :(    Back to the PM;  who's now been criticised for not engaging in the usual smaltz surrounding such events; it's the same kind of criticism directed at the Queen on the death of "the people's Princess", which is when it all seems to have started. Clearly folk don't do stoicism these days and public emotion is now the order of the day, supplanting the old British "stiff upper lip".   :ph34r:

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Among the many conflicting reports on this incident, it seems the Council Leader claims that a sprinkler system was offered to the residents, who declined it.   If true, it suggests another perspective on the politicised agitation of these residents. Which leads onto the new phenomenon of Government by mob rule, where if a group agitate enough, they'll get privileged access to No10.  Add to this pot stirring by Corbyn's Red Guards, and it would seem we're heading for anarchy; which is precisely what these old Marxists require for their young revolution.     :ph34r:

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Obs, there have been claims that the cladding was for cosmetic reasons but the Management Company Minutes make it clear that it was principally added for energy efficiency reasons and the heating system was upgraded at the same time to low NoX combustion.
Take a look at the Grenfell Action Group web site where the nature of the relations with the Management Organisation and the Council are laid bare. The storming of the council offices featured those holding banners from the SWP and I fear your comment about mob rule is spot on. Corbyn seems not to have noticed that his call for stealing the empty properties of foreigners is forbidden by the Human Rights Act that he loves so much.

When are the broadcasters going to stop supporting this fascist takeover attempt?

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It seems that the PM is being held responsible for the safety of all properties in the country, and that the taxpayer is responsible for paying for any necessary improvements to make said properties safe. I've just paid out a substantial amount of money to have my house rewired and smoke alarms fitted. Perhaps I'm within my rights to send the bill to the government, after all I've potentially saved the fire brigade the cost of having to fight a fire caused by faulty electrics in my house, that must be worth something surely?

What's that you say? A private homeowner is entitled to nothing even if he has paid taxes and council taxes all his working life? Seems fair :(:unsure:

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I understand that there are hundreds of council properties lying empty in London, thousands in the UK, why does Corbyn want to requisition privately owned properties? Surely not for ideological reasons, after all we are told he is an honourable man (spit).

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It's clear, that the use of cladding, is inadvisable; as any such external layer bypasses the compartmental integrity of each living unit; nothing is absolutely fire proof; and it would seem logical to make such things as energy efficiency integral to the original construction. It's difficult in this chaos of feigned emotion; to apply a methodical approach to blame (that's for the Public Enquiry); but I fail to see how our National Government is primarily to blame, when the building was owned by the Local Council, who carry the responsibility for social housing provision. But spurred on by Corbyn's Red Guard,  and exacerbated by hysterical media reporting; the mob are trying to personalise matters by targeting the PM, in order to destabilise Government; and force another Election, which they think they can win.  Then we can look forward to a Corbyn Gov borrowing us back into the EU, with the same aftermath as Greece.     :ph34r:

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If folk stopped running around like headless chickens, and wait for a (perhaps speeded up) Public Inquiry; the blame can be fairly apportioned.  As if symptomatic of the overriding cause; the family of the Syrian Refugee victim have been given permission to come to the UK for his funeral - but will they be going back ?   Hence more demand for housing.      :ph34r: ... and, as if to wind up Asp: all surviving families are to be given £5,000 apiece from the tax-payer; beats paying for private insurance - wait till this gets round Syria, they'll be swarming here !    :ph34r:

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I can't believe some of the comments on here!

People have died in a horrific way, survivors have lost relatives, friends, neighbours and all their possessions and many have no idea where they are going to live now.  How would you feel if you had lost someone in this fire - a fire which shouldn't have happened?  Seriously, would you be quietly sitting back, waiting probably for years for an inquiry/cover up?  People are angry and rightly so, this happened due to gross negligence and those responsible should be charged with corporate manslaughter.

Begrudging the victims the £5.000 emergency fund is pathetic, what can that paltry sum buy them?  It's probably only been given as a cheaper alternative to providing temporary accommodation. It's nothing compared to what the banker's bailout cost or what is regularly paid in subsidies to developers. 

As for Theresa May, what a spineless, useless, unfeeling person she shows herself to be.  As the PM, she should have gone straight to the scene, the 'low key' visit (on security advise) was just a sad excuse for CBA.   

 

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It seems to me that the last thing the police and rescue services need at times like this are politicians cluttering up the landscape and using up resources.

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9 hours ago, Sha said:

I can't believe some of the comments on here!

People have died in a horrific way, survivors have lost relatives, friends, neighbours and all their possessions and many have no idea where they are going to live now.  How would you feel if you had lost someone in this fire - a fire which shouldn't have happened?  Seriously, would you be quietly sitting back, waiting probably for years for an inquiry/cover up?  People are angry and rightly so, this happened due to gross negligence and those responsible should be charged with corporate manslaughter.

Begrudging the victims the £5.000 emergency fund is pathetic, what can that paltry sum buy them?  It's probably only been given as a cheaper alternative to providing temporary accommodation. It's nothing compared to what the banker's bailout cost or what is regularly paid in subsidies to developers. 

As for Theresa May, what a spineless, useless, unfeeling person she shows herself to be.  As the PM, she should have gone straight to the scene, the 'low key' visit (on security advise) was just a sad excuse for CBA.   

 

Well said, sha.

And There's still no reply to post #3.

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Fugs,

if #4 isn't good enough a simple use of google would have found this - https://order-order.com/2017/06/15/corbyn-winning-with-politicised-grenfell-fire-response/

Of course it is not a left wing source but then how could it have been. The web pages of the BBC were carrying claims about tory cuts being related all that morning. As it then turned out the story changed to West Ken having too much money but not wanting to spend it on the "wrong sort" of folks. I find this kind of accusation just based on political intolerance without any substantiation quite reprehensible. Look at what Corbyn said about May on Peston on Sunday:

Peston: Can I just ask you, a lot of people say she doesn’t care, do you believe she doesn’t care?

Corbyn: I think everybody cares to an extent, some to a deeper extent

That is a pretty disgusting thing to say from a leader of the opposition. (but it isn't and answer to your question since it was from after you asked it!)

 

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5 hours ago, observer said:

Didn't you see your hero crying on camera the other day Fugs ?   PR the new politics.     :ph34r:

No I didn't, I don't really watch much telly, and, I don't particularly like it but PR has played too big a part in politics for too long, imo.

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