observer Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 Gov plans to abandon the hard shoulder provision on M/Ways, has been criticized by a transport panel of MPs as dangerous. The idea is to increase capacity on our M/Ways; but what happens in the event of a break-down or accident? How do the emergency services get to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 A ridiculous idea which will no doubt cause chaos on the motorways. The hard shoulder has always been a place of relative safety in a motorway emergency & now that is being taken away.We all know what the problem is,too many vehicles on the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeborn John Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I'm confident that the probability and projected costs of major incidents involving broken down vehicles in heavy fog have been carefully weighed against the savings to be made by not upgrading our motorways, and that the government concluded that the occasional bout of carnage makes sound economic sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 They want to get rid of it because it's on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milky Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 I'm confident that the probability and projected costs of major incidents involving broken down vehicles in heavy fog have been carefully weighed against the savings to be made by not upgrading our motorways, and that the government concluded that the occasional bout of carnage makes sound economic sense. Hasn't the use of the hard shoulder been used as an extra lane for a while in the midlands, however they seem to make it work, or do they? , it is quite confusing and the mandatory speed limits are sometimes questionable They want to get rid of it because it's on the left. very funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Milky, like everything else, it'll work until something terrible happens. Then you'll get some politician saying "we need to learn from this". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 I always think a very sobering thought about driving is that if we have traffic travelling at just 60 mph & an accident occurs the result is 1 mile of standing traffic in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 Not quite Dave, not all "standing traffic" but a series of shunt accidents tailing back, and no way for the Emergency Services to get to the scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 I do an awful lot of driving on motorways and have seen accidents - both minor and fatal. The hard shoulder was never a safe place to stop anyway, just look over the years how many deaths have occurred with lorries running up the rear end of cars or mini-buses that had broken down. The Police have voiced their objections as the hard shoulder provides an easy access for them to incidents ahead.... sadly there will be crashes and deaths because of this, but only time will tell if it is more or less than now. Managed motorways are pretty good at slowing traffic as there are mandatory signs rather than the old orange square flashy ones that nobody ever takes notice of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2016 Perhaps driverless cars might improve things ? But somehow, unless traffic movements are centrally controlled, I can't see a resolution to the carnage that occurs, especially in bad weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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