observer Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Certainly not in the Huff !! They'll all be in eventually, if it hasn't collapsed by then; it's the nature of the project: invite in a load of basket case economies, spend billions on their infrastructure etc; then call in the debt with austerity - as per Greece. Fortunately it won't be our money propping them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky71 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Didn't Cameron say that at this rate they won't be in the EU by yhe year 3000? Why then is Merkel saying that if they have the death penalty, they wouldn't be allowed in. Thank god we won't be part of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I wonder if all the 99 generals & admirals who have been sacked or arrested each had as many medals as Idi Amin ? If this weeks happenings under the banner of Turkish democracy are anything to go by then any dealings the west has with this country must be questionable. It is a pity we need Turkey as a buffer to the east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Didn't Cameron say that at this rate they won't be in the EU by yhe year 3000? Why then is Merkel saying that if they have the death penalty, they wouldn't be allowed in. Thank god we won't be part of it. so you haven't read anywhere that Turkey will be allowed in if they agree not to have the death penalty? You can stop the Brexit BS now, the referendum is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Whilst the road Turkey now appears to be taking, is to turn it's back on the West and sink back into theocratic dictatorship; this may prove to be even worse for the EU, if they start sending us migrants again. Meanwhile, we still have the Balkan States in the queue, including Albania. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 yawn, done to death, why are you concerned about EU migration? Haven't we voted to leave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Doh ! Migrants coming from Turkey aren't EU migrants, they are generally ILLEGAL economic chancers, many of whom will finish up in Calais, then the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Doh ! Migrants coming from Turkey aren't EU migrants, they are generally ILLEGAL economic chancers, many of whom will finish up in Calais, then the UK. but we have control of our borders now, you all promised perhaps we should make it even more illegal than it already is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 There will be even more Turkish "refugees" if Erdogan continues with de secularisng the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Control of our borders requires a little more than Brexit; it requires the commitment of a UK Gov in Parliament; prepared to introduce new legislation to allow immediate repatriations, and the exiting of non-national jurisdictions such a the ECHR, which have a history of confounding deportations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Would the tightening up of border controls only be able to happen once we are completely out of the EU. Surely we are still tied to EU rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Would the tightening up of border controls only be able to happen once we are completely out of the EU. Surely we are still tied to EU rules. and EU rules governing the entry of illegal immigrants into the UK are???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Dave, all Brexit does, or rather can do (assuming they get it right), is to abandon "free movement" of EU citizens into the UK. This would reduce net migration into the UK by around 50%; it would also prevent illegal entrants into the EU, who subsequently gain EU citizenship from entering the UK. That then leaves the issue of illegal entrants into the UK, visa over-stayers, back of a lorry entrants etc; to be resolved, by a fast track deportation system, solely reliant on "new" British administered law. The EU rules on illegal entry (the Dublin Convention) has now clearly been abandoned; with Merkel's classic blunder of inviting over a million to walk from Greece into Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 I see ,said the blind man. I must say i find all these immigration rules & treaties as clear as mud & the sooner we finally get free the better. I think we may need a mascot for all this escapism though just like the 1966 World Cup mascot.....Maybe Ms Sturgeon covered in red,white & blue woad & shouting "Freedom" in her best Mel Gibson Sottish accent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 being a refugee or an asylum seeker has never been illegal and nor should it be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 That is something that is established by the legal authorities in the country of arrival, following an interview; until that point it's illegal. The problem then occurs where asylum applications are made; which can then take years to resolve through the courts at tax-payer's expense in legal aid; rather than a presumption to deport within 48hrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 claiming asylum is not illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 But on the bright side, the economy appears to be booming and hate crimes are down and the pound is the best performing currency in the world. Not! if only the economists would have warned us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Still not found your dummy yet ? "Claiming" asylum does not legitimize the individual, until it's been granted. If the application fails, then the applicant is (or should be) deported as an illegal entrant - asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 But neither have the last 43 years in the EU set the UK economy alight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Still not found your dummy yet ? "Claiming" asylum does not legitimize the individual, until it's been granted. If the application fails, then the applicant is (or should be) deported as an illegal entrant - asap. wow still using the dummy bomb, grow up. claiming asylum is not illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 But neither have the last 43 years in the EU set the UK economy alight. You are joking right? You were recently proclaiming how well the pound was doing against the Euro, again you were completely wrong. The pound is now the worst performing currency on the planet since it plummeted beneath the Argentinian Peso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Well the £ is still better than it was 2 or 3 years ago against the Euro. I think we have to accept that some people will jump on the Brexit bandwagon to cover up their own failings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Just in case it's escaped tiny minds - we're still in the EU; so being in the EU isn't helping is it ? As indeed, it's not helping the financial woes of Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy. As for the pedantic "claiming asylum isn't illegal" - no it isn't; but until granted asylum, the applicant is here ILLEGALLY; hence the legal appeal. If not granted, then deportation follows - why? - because the applicant is an ILLEGAL entrant. Not rocket science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Well the £ is still better than it was 2 or 3 years ago against the Euro. I think we have to accept that some people will jump on the Brexit bandwagon to cover up their own failings. it has fallen from 1.30 to 1.19 since the referendum against the Euro. It is now the worst performing currency on the planet and you accuse others of covering up? Pull your head out of your back passage and take a look around. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-argentine-peso-worst-performing-currency-eu-referendum-brexit-a7127246.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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