EU - in or out?

[observer]

Says Mr Clueless, who hasn't come up with one concrete advantage in staying in the EU; just PC cac as usual.     

[P J]

This

 

 

Back to Mr Clueless again, lots of name calling but no arguments in favour of the EU; again more trying to play the man instead of the ball. 

 

 

 

plus this

 

 

Says Mr Clueless, who hasn't come up with one concrete advantage in staying in the EU; just PC cac as usual.     

 

 

 

equals total hypocrisy, nothing new though. 

[observer]

Still no arguments in favour of the EU, just the same old PC juvenile cac - yawn !     

[P J]

This

 

 

 

 

 

plus this

 

 

 

 

 

equals total hypocrisy, nothing new though. 

 

 

Plus this

 

 

Still no arguments in favour of the EU, just the same old PC juvenile cac - yawn !     

 

 

 

just proves my point further

[observer]

lol. leave the wacky backer alone !

[P J]

Would the wacky backer be Boris Johnson?

[P J]

Are you playing the man or the ball or the fool?

[Davy51]

What a dull place this forum will be once the referendum is over & we know whether we are leaving the EU or stuck with it forever.

[P J]

Oh I don't know, some folk will  still be able to hate immigrants and whinge and gripe and blame them for all the ills in the world,  little will change other than Britains prosperity

[P J]

Patrick Stewart plays Observer and nails it

 

 

 

https://youtu.be/ptfmAY6M6aA

 

 

and the beauty is he can't do links so he will never know

[observer]

Correction Dave, it won't be "over" by a long chalk, as all the reasons for getting out will still remain; so the battle will simply move to domestic politics. We got into the EU on the vote of a majority of MPs, so we can equally get out on the vote of a majority of MPs. When the EU luvvies have invited another few million or so poor migrants in; and more basket case Balkan States and Turkey join for more hand-outs, even our young and naïve demographic may begin to realise their mistake. Alas some won't, as their PC brainwashing is so complete !    

[P J]

Correction Dave, it won't be "over" by a long chalk, as all the reasons for getting out will still remain; so the battle will simply move to domestic politics. We got into the EU on the vote of a majority of MPs, so we can equally get out on the vote of a majority of MPs. When the EU luvvies have invited another few million or so poor migrants in; and more basket case Balkan States and Turkey join for more hand-outs, even our young and naïve demographic may begin to realise their mistake. Alas some won't, as their PC brainwashing is so complete !    

 

   

[observer]

So no counter-argument?  Presumably you accept the scenario; as you've already been seen to accept over a million migrants into Europe, but haven't got round to finding all these highly paid, tax paying jobs for them, or the housing, or the school places, or the hospital beds. Still waiting for your solution to dealing with the next million and the million after that?     

[Davy51]

See you all in a couple of weeks ,off on my jollies. I'm sure this argument will still be raging.

[P J]

So no counter-argument?  Presumably you accept the scenario; as you've already been seen to accept over a million migrants into Europe, but haven't got round to finding all these highly paid, tax paying jobs for them, or the housing, or the school places, or the hospital beds. Still waiting for your solution to dealing with the next million and the million after that?     

 

no counter argument as yours is a completely irrelevant one.  If the UK vote to leave the EU  will this stop refugees fleeing war into Europe?

[observer]

Well first of all they're not all "fleeing war"; the majority are "illegal" economic migrants en route to "a better life".  The Home Secretary has basically stated what is required to control immigration into the UK, and that is, by leaving the EU and it's free movement policy and by leaving the ECHR to allow us to operate controls as the Australians have done. 

[P J]

The people you speak of in such humanitarian terms will not be covered by any change in the uk and its eu membership. If anything their passage into Britain will be made easier when the French stop running our border controls as they have intimated should we isolate ourselves. You are just trying to conflate two totally separate issues but making a poor job of it

[observer]

Errm nope; start reading news reports; they're now boating across the channel, and when they land, the first words are - "claim asylum"; which, due to the straight jacket of the ECHR, means they get to stay here, possibly for years, while claiming food, shelter and the legal aid (paid by Brirish tax-payers) to pay the HR lawyers. The latest one, a Palastinian trafficker who now wants asylum !   If we want to have these people put immediately on the next flight home, we have to leave the ECHR and the EU (that's allowed them to get to Calais in the first place).  

[P J]

how many boated across the channel?  a million?  half that?  How many was it?

 

watch this and learn

 

https://youtu.be/ptfmAY6M6aA

[observer]

There we go again, Mr Complacency.  Originally, the exodus from Libya to Italy started with a "trickle", then Turkey to Lesbos, a "trickle"; all of which has turned into a flood.  Now aside from crossing the channel by boat, we've had loads arriving in and under lorries; to add to this ILLEGAL invasion; we've got the visa over-stayers, who remain here ILLEGALLY.   Add to this the EU migrants, and it's easy to understand the current pressures on public services.

[P J]

so how many was it Observer?  a hundred thousand?  tens of thousands?  come on, tell the good folk on here how many tried to boat across. 

[observer]

Is this an act or are you really that thick? Over a million crossed the Med (in boats) into the EU last year, and have walked to Germany and Calais; a bottle neck at Calais has meant a temporary camp of over 3,000 all attempting to hide in lorries and now try crossing in boats. This won't stop as the EU, not only don't stop them at borders but actually rescue them and complete their journey to Europe, and many will be heading for the UK. I suppose after Merkel's idiotic offer to migrants, we should be thankfull that individual States are looking after themselves by ignoring Shengen and building border fences.

[P J]

Why don't you just answer the question . You brought up the people trying to boat into Britain. How many were there, thousands, high hundreds?? Come on don't be coy, I thought you reserved your coyness for the Hillsborough thread.

[observer]

Nothing coy about it; like water running down drains, your asking how many are going down drain A as opposed to drain B or C; a completely infantile line of argument. They ARE coming in by any route they can, and we are only hearing about those that are actually caught. Even if caught, once in the UK, they can claim asylum and spend years here at our expense, utilising legal aid at our expense. Now we know you luvvies don't mind and would like even more to come, but alas the majority of UK folk don't. 

[P J]

How many Observer? You've done it again haven't you. Were there hundreds, scores , dozens. This huge threat to our nation, how many people exactly crossed the channel in a boat?