Davy51 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Apparently,some of the Labour supporters who voted "yes" are being bullied for their freedom of thought & threatened with de selection. If that happens, & Labour becomes a militant bastion once more, it's days will be numbered as a serious political party. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 The Party workers who do the work at elections might expect the MP they get elected, to reflect their views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 I think you'll find it is just another nut job yank with a gun who was pissed off at his employers during some party.... Americans and guns just don't mix at party's it would seem http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35006404 when do we vote on bombing the USA then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 Perhaps it proves the point, that bombing Raqqa, as if taking out some command and control system, won't stop the spread of a perverse idea via the internet, and it's take up by any susceptible group, anywhere in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 I imagine these 2 got there via Greece in a dinghy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 4, 2015 Report Share Posted December 4, 2015 No, but the Leader of the Paris attack did; and is now thought to have recruited members in Hungary and Austria, from amongst your poor migrants ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 No, but the Leader of the Paris attack did; and is now thought to have recruited members in Hungary and Austria, from amongst your poor migrants ! Are you sure or just having a guess. I read that the terrorist thought to be the brains behind it was killed by police or when his girlfriend detonated her suicide belt. He was from Belgium. The only thing linking any of the bombers to the recent refugees seems to be that 1 of the suicide bombers had a fake Syrian passport. That jihadists higher up the chain of command exist I have no doubt but they can quite easily organise these atrocities in far easier ways than by taking the refugee route into Europe. I suppose though that making us think they are flooding in with the refugees would help them achieve their prime goal which is to scare people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 According to many news reports, the Leader of the Paris attack was indeed Belgian, but had gone to Syria a couple of times, and returned via the migrant stream, where security checks were lacking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I can't find any saying he returned with refugees. He could, however, have simply done this http://www.farecompare.com/flights/Brussels-BRU/Turkey-TR/citycountry.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=DSA%2BUK&utm_term=url_contains_flights&gclid=CjwKEAiAs4qzBRD4l-2w7qOoqEMSJABauikXlInHFvDaW2Y0pxyRXcMHW3B1_DSWy5EoNYJoiO_eRhoCHoDw_wcB#quote or this http://www.whichbudget.com/flights/fromCRL/toGR/cheap-flights-from-brussels-charleroi-to-greece.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I thought they established that it wasn't the woman who detonated the suicide vest in the flat but a man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I've also read reports that say he came through the borders with the immigrants - also that it has been proven by border controls from fingerprint records. One of the latest reports is that they have checked phone records and one of the terrorists had made a number of calls to Birmingham just minutes before they went into the building in Paris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Ireland's response to terrorists. https://www.facebook.com/finchiecoveney/posts/10153812281548179 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I've read the same reports Sha; suppose it depends on which reports suit your view; after all, out of over a million Muslim migrants, surely none of them could be converted to extreme radicalism ?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Seems a far higher percentage are homegrown and we still have no proof of any of the bombers posing as refugees just speculation. I suppose they found a solution to finding children drowned on a beach, they are blowing them up in their beds instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Seems a far higher percentage are homegrown and we still have no proof of any of the bombers posing as refugees just speculation. From the Wall Street Journal published after the Paris attacks....: Speculation? Authorities in France and Greece have said that fingerprints taken from the remains of a suicide bomber outside France’s national sports stadium, the Stade de France, match the prints of a man who entered Europe via the Aegean island of Leros on Oct. 3. Police on Leros registered the man under the identity in the passport he showed them: Ahmad AlMohammad, 25, from Syria. The same passport was found near the man’s body outside the stadium on Friday night. Whoever the man was, he posed as one of the many refugees fleeing Syria’s war—including the violence of Islamic State—to enter Europe through its lightly controlled frontier in the Aegean Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 And the 2 disgruntled non terrorists in California Baz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 And the 2 disgruntled non terrorists in California Baz? I may have been wrong on that one but it would appear that the driving force behind the crazy pair was the wife rather than the husband and she was not born in America... so I may have been half right after all!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 No Baz, you were wrong regardless where she was born but hey ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 No Baz, you were wrong regardless where she was born but hey ho. Apologies.... I forgot that you are never wrong, that your opinions are the only correct ones ever and you are better at using Google to search out stuff than anyone else on the forum.... congrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I can't help it if my opinion was proved right and I won't say its wrong just to please you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 I can't help it if my opinion was proved right and I won't say its wrong just to please you. Seems a far higher percentage are homegrown and we still have no proof of any of the bombers posing as refugees just speculation. Well that was wrong.... or did two governments make it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 The vast majority of the bombers were homegrown and nobody yet knows who the guy with the fake passport actually was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 The vast majority of the bombers were homegrown and nobody yet knows who the guy with the fake passport actually was. "Authorities in France and Greece have said that fingerprints taken from the remains of a suicide bomber outside France’s national sports stadium, the Stade de France, match the prints of a man who entered Europe via the Aegean island of Leros on Oct. 3." So you are hoping and holding out that he was born in France just so you won't be proven wrong then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 No and I really don't imagine that none of the million or so people coming out of Syria are absolutely guaranteed not to have ISIL sympathies but it does seem to me that all the known terrorists in Paris, as in London were homegrown. They don't need to sneak them in via Greece so I ask myself why make it as easy as possible for the authorities to believe this? Another form of terror is what I would suspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 The first duty of any government should be to its citizens and in the case of Europe, the organisation is, I believe exposing its citizens to an unnecessary risk of harm by allowing this mass unchecked crossing of both its external and internal borders In the case of our own terror attack on 7/7, the people who carried out this attack were known to the authorities and it beggars the question as to why these people are not locked up for the good of the wider public Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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