Evil Sid Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 it was on channel four last week. brilliant movie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 What on earth are you prattling on about? When did I mention an ice age? So come on, show me proof that acid rain doesn't exist. Acid rain doesn't exist? How could anyone on this forum suggest such a thing - when it was here in Warrington acid rain was first recognised! It had previously been thought that the first recognition of acid rain and the damage caused by it was in the USA in the 1860's. Nowadays it's known that it was here in Warrington in the 1840's! There is a famous court case in which Lord Gerard of Garswood sued Gamble / Crossfield's works for damage caused by the emissions from their works falling (in acid rain) on Lord Gerard's Land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Still waiting for examples of doom laden warnings about climate change that have actually come true. For me the question here is about how much faith we have in science in general, not just the doomster stuff. What I find odd is that many people are happy to trust what science tells us when it comes down to things like personal health, but think we know better than scientists when it comes to bigger questions. There’s lots of examples, both positive and negative, of science getting it right: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34643633 http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/nov/23/somaliland-climate-change-drought-cyclones-life-or-death-challenge I’m sure you can come up with scores of examples where science has got it wrong, even I could do that, but science never claimed to know everything and science isn’t, well, an exact science. The majority of scientists haven’t publicly expressed on opinion one way or the other on climate change, and this may be because: they don’t know; they don’t have an opinion; nobody asked them, or they simply can’t be arsed. Of those who have expressed an opinion, the overwhelming majority of them (around 97%), believe that the earth is getting hotter and that this is most likely due to human activity. A very small percentage of the scientific community as a whole have said that they do believe the earth is getting hotter, but it’s nothing to do with us, guv. Now, fearless internet iconoclast that you are, guess which group you’re pitching in with? It’s a fact that the earth is getting hotter, and it’s now hotter than has ever been recorded. Of course, you’ll maintain that this is completely natural, but nature’s never made it this hot before. You can wibble on about all the predictions being done by computer modelling or whatever, ‘cos scientists never get it right anyway, and they may well be wrong. What you’re banking on though, is that they’ve got it wrong in the right way, i.e. that it’s not going to be anywhere near as bad as they say it is. You’re convinced they’re going to be wrong, but have you considered that if they are wrong, then they might just be wrong in the wrong way, and things will be far worse than they’re suggesting? Oh, seen this? http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/nov/25/two-faced-exxon-the-misinformation-campaign-against-its-own-scientists 100% global warming consensus in Exxon scientists’ research contrasted its $31m campaign to cast doubt on that consensus This means that there is a 100% consensus on human-caused global warming among Exxon’s peer-reviewed climate science research – even higher than the 97% consensus in the rest of the peer reviewed literature. Face it mate, you’re going the way of the dodo: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/jul/22/global-warming-deniers-are-an-endangered-species So c'mon, where's this ice age? Give me your best shot. That was asperity so best ask him, I’m sure he has lots of reliable scientific evidence to back up his prediction (it’s bound to happen at some point in the future anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 It’s a fact that the earth is getting hotter, and it’s now hotter than has ever been recorded. Really Fugs? And for how long has the earth's temperature been recorded? A couple of hundred years at best, and not globally at that. Research has shown that temperatures have indeed been warmer than now - in Roman times and the Medieval Warm Period for example. It has been vastly warmer even during this interglacial, and all indications are that we are headed towards another ice age with this slightly warmer period just another blip in the record. You bring up that old "97% of scientists" myth again. This turns out to be 97% of scientists who answered a questionaire on climate change (with questions along the lines of "do you think the climate is changing" "do you think the world is warming" " do you think that mankind may have an influence on climate"), and it turns out that the 97% is actually 97% of around 75 scientists, of all disciplines, who could be bothered to answer, gave the answers the survey wanted. Not exactly "scientific". http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/12/19/97-articles-refuting-the-97-consensus-on-global-warming/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Meh: http://wottsupwiththat.com/ 100% global warming consensus in Exxon scientists’ research contrasted its $31m campaign to cast doubt on that consensus (again). You've cost Exxon a fortune, well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I don't know what you hope to prove with that link apart from showing that global warming/climate change believers would rather hurl abuse at anyone who dares challenge their "consensus" than try to engage in meaningful debate. As for me "costing Exxon a fortune" wellI didn't realise I was that influential. Exxon, by the way, contribute a lot more than a measly $31m to climate research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Lordy, it's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down and beat you with experience" Mark Twain. I wish I listened to his advice a bit more often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 .... and you still don't !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down and beat you with experience" Mark Twain. I wish I listened to his advice a bit more often .... and you still don't !! I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 make it a long rest - pls !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 make it a long rest - pls !! I see now why you went into politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 I see now why you didn't ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” - Napoleon Bonaparte he had you pegged Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 Well he didn't even notice you !! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 You don't need to go to such lengths to prove your idiocy, it's plain to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 27, 2015 Report Share Posted November 27, 2015 iyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 My apologies Mr. Twain, I appear to be doing it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Ha I imagine you are worried that all our hot air will affect the climate Baz ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 nice one BAZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Lordy, it's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. You have no reasonable argument then? Just some obscure comment. I rest my case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuglet Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 No amount of "statistical analysis" will show what the effects of a 2 degree rise in temperature... I somehow feel that "statistical analysis" will show the effects of a 2 degree rise in temparature. Afterall, the people that do this are extremely skilled at their jobs and when something like this hits the news it's really not going to be scaremongering, but what is 'likely' to happen. I recognise that they might get minor things wrong, but only small details, most of their predictions are based on things that we can already see happening today that is likely to worsen in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 So what are these "things that we can already see happening today"? Or is that just a phrase you've seen written down somewhere? Perhaps a quote from that renowned climate expert Prince (I talk to the trees) Charles? There is nothing happening to the natural world that hasn't happened before or won't happen again. It's called natural variability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Are you honestly saying that nothing that man does to the planet can possibly affect it's climate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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